W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 3500 hand break even, variance +1 buy in -- -1.5 buy in. I planned to wait
until i got 4k profit in NL50 to go up to NL100, but was running so bad (
another 200$ down vs ev yesterday. ouch!) so i decided to go up a level
anyway with 3.3k earning in NL50.
整体感觉fish 不少.. calling station 也多... call 3 street bet with middle
pair, chasing gut shotor trash flush draws 2 street without considering odds at all etc.
Still need to adjust to NL100. I feel the difference between NL100 and NL50
is larger than |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 新年伊始，试着在NL100玩了有大概２千手，败下阵来。
犯了move up最容易出现的错误，没有坚持自己的打法，而是试图玩花的新的打法，此
外aggression指数无必要的偏高，缺乏冷静。
NL100其实与NL50差别并不大，区别主要表现在，对手普遍紧一些，short stack更多，
多个limpers的情况很少，position steal相对成功率高。记笔记的重要性更大，一般
full buy-in，auto reload的选手基本都不会烂。
还需要磨练，呵呵。 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 3 Although I have bad luck in some NL 100 games, I am still a winning player
in NL100 as there are lots of easy money. I attached one hand I played
ysterday. I 3 bet this donk and he 4 bet me huge, I realized he has big hand
, could have KK or QQ or AK maybe?, I dont want the A or K or low cards on
the flop to stop him or scare him. So I donk all in and he called... and he
just had JJ...
I just dont fell I am 100% ready in NL100 yet, so I test water, won some
money and go back to NL50. I am thinki |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 Very good suggestion.
I am going to reduce the playing time and trying to get 1 video in at least
every other day. I have learned everything by playing the game itself mostly
all year going from NL10 to NL100. I have a feeling that I am getting close
to hitting the bottle neck. I can probably still win marginal profit or at least break even at NL100 or NL200, but i need more improvement to reach 3-5bb/100 hand profit consistently..
Coaching is still too expensive for me. I will start with the t |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 4个buy in 对我来说己经很大了， 打NL100以前最多也只有4个buy in 。 NL100 37k
hand 就已经有两次了。。都是一天里。。 上次打回到up200. 这次打倒1am也没能扳回来。。。
这两次都打得我想降级了when i was at the bottom..。。 lol
有时候没办法.. 倒霉的时候,没牌 2 barrel 都打不走一small pocket pair.. 有强牌丫一c bet 就跑了. 有一medium strength top pair 的牌,又被人raise flop big, and pot turn.. KK slow play flat preflop.. raise flop call reraise all in on 223 board, 对方15% preflop raise short stack fish, 丫是AA.. lol
每一手牌都被抓得死死的.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 I was in a rush and did not finish. I want to add a few more points.
The advantage of having a tight starting range is very obvious and it should
give you a steady and good winrate at microstake or vs some opponents at
small stake, but why does it not work as well when you level up facing
tougher opponents? It is because people will adjust towards your range post
flop if they are good regs. FCF also pointed out before that the easiest
player to play against is people with nittiest vpip because t... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 7 With the key sale accounts sealed and I got a bit more time to play PS in
Starbucks,I am feeling comfortable with NL100 now and no more NL50. As
windommm said, you can steal so many pots in NL100 as well with a big
range image and also trap allins. So the $800/7 hour is no fluke and I was
able to collect >$400 in three sessions respectively(about 4 hours each). I probably
would have made more if I do not play rush when wife bogged...... Can not
wait to test out some of the leak fixes in live cas... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 8 我查了一下HM，我NL100里面raked hands大概有26%
W$WSF是44.3%，差不多11.5%手要贡献.5个bb，贡献的bb应该有5-6 bb/ 100 hand
扣去rakeback的话差不多是3个左右的bb
基本符合事实
NL100晚上10点以后鱼实在太多了，一桌6个人里面平均有2个人VPIP-PFR>20 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 9 MM老湿的涵养功夫自从去年和女赌神和小POPO的论战以来，与日俱增！竟然看到如此评
论也一笑了之。
楼主的级别不算低，网络和现场两回事。以前网络扑克风光的时候，网上NL100的赢家
，crush现场2/5是没有问题的。在现在的网络扑克黑暗的日子里，网上的总体水平却越
来越高，大多都是赢钱的REG互相较劲，利润很少了。现在网上NL100的长期赢家，光从
技术层面讲，哪个不能beat现场2/5？
这里谁没有风光过？风光过了就知道，人外有人，天外有天。觉得自己牛逼，马上否定
别人的思路，是通往更高层次的最大绊脚石。
楼主长期徘徊在低级别导致你的思维保守。害怕输钱导致你无法正常思考游戏的过程。
在没有nuts的情况下居然能够考虑fold掉这种牌面。你身后还有60， pot里面有140，
这种条件在你有顺子的情况下是没有任何理由去fold的。 就算别人赢你，你也认了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 don't know, but my abnormal play at NL100 will keep me away from it for a
while.
if you have an edge in NL50, stay there and build bigger roll, it's much
better than under rolled for a higher stake. in a lot of tough spots,
confidence is very important. rush poker involves big swings. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 All in pre-flop and this birdy hit K on the turn. &*&*&* FTP!!!
Later I got half the lost back then move back to NL50.
I dont feel there are big difference between Nl50 and Nl100. I will test
water later. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 强烈支持lundon去NL100 试水1星期。 然后回来BSO..
上次fryking去NL50 做得很好。。 为我们crush NL 50 做了很好的铺垫。。 |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 13 NL100: $0.5 big blind, full-buy-in has 200 big blinds, so it is $100
same as NL200 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 haha, NL100 is $0.5(small blind)/$1(big), 100 big blinds full buy-in. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 NL200比NL100赢钱快... en..打得越大赢得越快... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 The overall impression i got is that NL100 is much more loose and aggressive than NL50
, which is great for us to play TAG against them. NL 50 is becoming too
nitty where I can't often win stacks from them anymore.
Everyone wants to be a LAG and thinks that's how you become a true pro. but to me poorly played LAGs are the easiest to
win money from. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 今天还行, 小有盈余. 中间stupid 一下让人清了把AA.. 之后头脑清晰大打小球派
postflop...
今天的NL100真他妈的紧.. 跟那啥一样.... 赢个大pot不容易, 不过小埚偷不少...
两天让人清了3把都是自己白吃(something i don't even do often at NL50).. 要好好改进才能稳定盈利...
还有就是别把敌人想得太厉害... 都是一堆donk, fish. raise river all in bluffed 太少了(靠. 我竟然level自己call了俩个).. 整天想着value range的也不多.. 大部分人也就是看着自己两张牌的鱼, 等着我们来收他们的钱...... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 到底是NL100, 连3 bet的pot也要2 barrel 才能take down..
"when they call on a paired board, it is always a pocket pair.." hmmm maybe <
poker blue print>> is correct even on a 3-bet pot.
my turn bet appears that i am setting up for a river shove, does't it? ^_^ hmm maybe should be slightly larger |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 再来一些4bet bluff.
第二手是NL50的老对手, 跑到NL100来3bet我..they should know i only 4 bet with KK +..
en.. do i? |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 20 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - NL100 Good Job! Don't even know how to Fa Bo Zi. :)
See you soon in NL100... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 certainly called. QhJh. The fact that he has QJ instead of KQ make it even
thinner value.
I leveled myself into a call. en... bad call probably. one of the most
costly river call by far.
Summary of the hand:
Good read: he does not have 1010+, he was on a draw.
Bad read: he won't shove deep with just a Q
Bottom line: got taken to value down with a pair on river.
made two huge call on river shove yesterday. Both by thin value. No wonder I
can only break even on NL100 so far because I called al |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 22 I only played about 10K hands in NL100. my winrate was about 8BB/100hand. two
days ago I had very very bad day and down 4 buy in, so I current winrate is
about 4BB/100hand.
I play more aggressive in higher level. I just feel I have to, otherwise
other aggressive players will keep pressure on you. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 23 what's the video name you think it is the best? Any rush game video?
least
mostly
close
at least break even at NL100 or NL200, but i need more improvement to reach
3-5bb/100 hand profit consistently..
can
. |
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a*****h
发帖数: 2182 | 24 你能把cardrunner上面的录像当些下来给咱们版面共享吗;)
least
mostly
close
at least break even at NL100 or NL200, but i need more improvement to reach
3-5bb/100 hand profit consistently..
can
. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 bottleneck, although 4 buy-ins down is too normal, lol.
at current skill/stress level, if you can build a bigger roll from 50NL,
just do it, then take some small shots at NL100 (say, set aside $500), this
is how most pros grow up.
we have to feel like nothing for 4 buy-ins at a certain level, or we're
playing way beyond our capabilites.
37k
回来。。。
牌丫一c bet 就跑了. 有一medium strength top pair 的牌,又被人raise flop big,
and pot turn.. KK slow play flat preflop.. raise flop call reraise all in on
223 board, |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 26 When I was down 4 buy-in in NL100 several days ago, I felt that I dont know
how to play poker. No matter how I play, I lose the pot. And I did like you
did-- try to catch up by playing more and ended to lose more. the only bonus
I got on that day is I earned 2000+ ftp points... LOL...usually I only play
100-150 points per day...
37k
回来。。。
牌丫一c bet 就跑了. 有一medium strength top pair 的牌,又被人raise flop big,
and pot turn.. KK slow play flat preflop.. raise flop call reraise all in on
223 board, 对方15% p |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 27 what? pro does this like me??? LOL...
The first 4 buy-in down always make people frustrated and upset. I think we
just need get used to it when we move up. higher stake, much much more
variance...Now I calm down and get those lost from NL 50 back and will test
water in NL100 more.
this
,
on |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 不过上次我追回600$, 这次追回大部分，我对自己making profit 的ability 还是有信
心的。。 鱼和驴。NL100 还是不少的。。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 holding huge stack. 令人羡慕...
梨叔您老给我们小弟们讲讲您是怎样crush NL100 的把.. show 一下您的战绩...
我们可以自勉... |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 30 梨叔很强
最后一次看他在 NL100， 就是 5xbuyin for each of two tables |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 Confirmed--NL100 is full of donks... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 To be honest, your post is not that useful.
Everyone has good sessions, but do not forget your losing sessions. If you
add all up, then you will find the truth.
I guess no one can get 15+bb/100 hands on NL100 in the long haul.
If you get 200k+ hands on rush, then reporting this is kind of informative.
I probably
trip. Just could not do multiple tables yet on my laptop. Everytime i played
on two tables, i made some big mistakes. One time mucking my AAs on pre-
flop and another time betting $11 ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 33 I played with him before. Very tight and good player. Bets huge when he hits
..You rarely see him to go to showdown. One of the very few NL100 players I
noted and respected a lot. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 Thanks for the good wish. $10k month is not going to happen this month. It
will happen eventually one day, hopefully soon. hehe..My volume is way down
this month. Only 23k hands so far. 10k month is never going to happen at
NL100 with this volume even if I run like god for a whole month.
I was indeed a bit spewing last night, even though calling 5 bet shove at
button with AJ vs Cohangen's bb did not seem too bad until he showed AKs. I
was lucky to make a profit for the night, running pretty hot ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 35 很多可以看出来是赢了免费赛来随便玩玩的
升级以后比升级之前轻松很多，升之前很痛苦，NL50桌又少，鱼又少
升级NL100之后基本上就是找鱼/比较弱的reg猛打
我的cash水平在BF之前基本是小输。BF之后专门突击了一些6max SSNL的视频，另外之
前看到MM讨论中一些思路也很有启发。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 just saw the huge bad beat jackpot on merge. I guess part of the reason for
nl 100 to be soft.
很多可以看出来是赢了免费赛来随便玩玩的升级以后比升级之前轻松很多，升之前很痛
苦，NL50桌又少，鱼又少升级NL100之后基本上就是找鱼/比较弱的reg猛打我的cash水
平在BF........
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 37 big blind,根据level， 网上的NL100就是bb 1刀 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 没想到前1000手运气还不错. 之前还真有点怕打live 1/2 打傻了, 赢不了NL100了 .
看来still got it. 这数据在FR 还算个小lag吧? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 是不是durr 来borgata NL100 来逗我们鱼玩了丫？ 说实话这个3 bet shove 太厉害了
。完全crush 我们这些weak reg 的打法啊。。。。。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 40 你说的和我想的一样。
在NL100这个level，很多人这种牌是fold不掉的。
应该说多数大pot输的原因就是不能fold seconds nuts之类的强牌。
所以这种bluff如果作为一个固定打法肯定是大负ev。
当然如果大家都能fold，必然会有不少人开始bluff。然后call的比率又开始增加。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 i never played NL100+ (and i'm a loser at NL100), but i do watch some NL200+
games on the side.
i tend to agree that NL100 may indeed have more decent players than NL200,
or the major portion of NL100 players or average skill level are tougher/
higher. NL200 looks to me like having two extreme types of players, those
grind and those gamble. if you have a decent skill, i won't be surprised
that you can make more in NL200.
personal
more |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 42 我从 NL10 打起的原因是我觉得打牌打到现在没有好好的做过资金管理，从 NL10 打起
可以说是一种尝试。看看自己到底有没有 Displine 彻底贯彻 Chris 的资金管理原则。
其实从 NL100 被打下来，原则来说也是要 move down 去打 low limit 的。 NL 25 需
要的资金是 500, NL 50 需要的资金是 1000。 跟 NL10 的 200 快初始资金 差的并不
是太多。如果运气好，可能 3 个多月就可以 Move up 到 NL25。
最重要的一点，从最底层打起，我觉得会让我感觉 move up 是多不容易，打 high
limit 的时候会更加 focus，如果从 low limit 就养成资金管理的习惯，到 high
limit 遇到 down swing 可能会处理的更好一些。
最近 NL100 也打的不顺也是一个重要原因，holdem manager 查了一下，从 12/1 日到
今天，我在 NL100 single table， 40k 手牌，我赚了可怜兮兮的 99.85 元，ev
adjusted 是 $1656.74， 见图。最... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 i would not call me trying 6 max NL25 as taking a shot. I am quite confident
I can beat that level at 6 max. But the hourly winning rate is not going to
be remotely close to what I make in NL100 fullring.
On the other hand, Changing my game from FR NL100 to 6 max NL100 will take a
bit more time for adjustment. Unless I think FR NL100 is drying out completely
compared to 6 max, I see no reason for the change for myself. Additionally,
I still need rush to accumulate enough volume for me. The 6 max... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 44 I think we are comparing apple and orange.
Fryking is talking about poker players as a whole who take poker as second
income, MM is talking about his own case. Both have their merit.
Let us face it, poker as a whole sucks as a second income source, just like
stock, most ppl lose money, a few break even (like myself), only elite few
make decent amount of money.
Even those elite few, god knows how stessful the process is, how many late
night we stayed just try to dig ourselves out of holes and how... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 45 其实没有什么鸟奇迹。我的奇迹就是不管赚多少钱，我都有办法输出去。
9 月打昏了头，熬了太多的夜，感觉身体不大好，于是把 fulltitl 的钱全提出来了。
洗手不打。
10 月 1 日，熬不住，又存了 80 元进去，10 月 1 日 - 9 日，从 80 打 到 2100。
NL100。
结果沾沾自喜中，自我提升到 NL200 去赚快钱。结果被左右开弓狂抽耳光。NL200 巨
多的 light 3 -bet，不甘心被 push around， 4-bet shove all-in two aggro (HUD
数据明白现实这两个乃所谓的 manic）with AK, 结果两次都撞见 AA， 仰天长叹见了
鬼耶。
两天功夫，2100 变 1000。虽奋力拼搏，却无力回天，感觉明显给 outmatch。无奈只
能 downgrade 回 NL100。没想到祸不单行，会 NL100 后，某段时间内，逢人就撞见
set，不是在 flop，就是 turn，bankroll 迅速向零靠拢。
天幸 10 月 22 日回国，家里木有宽带，无法打牌。
今归美国，算了一下十月老账。cash 530 +，无... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 46 Totally agree with Fryking. NL 50 is not bad comparing to NL100. I probably
would make same amount of money per month by playing NL 50. I can get around
4-5 bb/100 for NL 50, while NL100 will drop my winrate by half and more
variance. But by playing NL100, I can improve at a much faster pace. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 47 I played some NL200 first time last Saturday because I saw NL100 was 4 table
reg infested, but there were only 5 4-table reg at NL200. Granted the game was soft and I did well (couple of buy-ins up after 1k hands, but means nothing without sample size). When I looked at NL200 other times, I realized that I have notes on most of the NL200 4 table reg anyway. I guess some reg jumps between NL100 and NL200. I am going to do the same, jumping between them depending on the games. I am still going to ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 48 Your swing largely depends on the style you play. You may keep certain
buyin at NL 100 (like 50-100), and take certain buy in to take shot at NL
200.(10-15 should be enough). If you hit a downswing, lost this 10-15 buyin
, just move back to NL100. NL 200 is pretty soft , I do not think you have
any problem to beat it. Actually, I think most regs in NL 400 are quite
mediocre, most of them have clear weakness. Most of them still play own card
.
table
game was soft and I did well (couple of buy... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 49 说完书，来说一下视频。
网上常见的coaching video可以大体上分为两类。第一类是review性质的，包括教练
review自己或者学员的session，教练自己的第一视角和sweat session。第二类是教练
挑选一系列某个特定spot的手牌，来专门讲解某个spot怎么打，比如Galfond的
philosophy系列。
我的感觉是第一类视频只在以下两种情况时比较有用：1.教练review一个和我打同一级
别的学员的session；2.教练自己的normal game和我是同一级别的。比如我看
Leatherass打NL1000就感觉是看看热闹，学不到什么东西，因为对手的level差太多了
。举个简单的例子来说leatherass CO 3bet AQs, UTG 4bet, leatherass shove。然后
说了一句：“这种情况我是绝对不会fold AQs的。”他指的这种情况大概是是自己3bet
～9%，对手4 bet range>5%，所以5 bet fold eq很高。如果我3bet UTG opener，因为
大部分NL100的选手4bet range 不到... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 50 ACR的rake系统很奇怪，一共有三重rake。
普通rake 5% cap $3。 Bad beat jackpot rake $0.07。 “The beast” jackpot
rake $0.18。如果每月打牌超过10k手，“the beast”的rake大概会返还110%到120%。
普通rakeback 27%， BBJ quad 8 or better。还有就是100% first deposit bonus 永
不过期。感觉就是如果每月打得比较少（<2k），它的rake是超高的。如果打得超多(>
200k),仅“the beast”的rakeback盈利就会超过$5000。然后没有reward points...
能用HM。一般NL100人比较多，晚上8桌不成问题吧。NL50人少一点6max一般4～5桌。经
常可以看到leatherass在玩NL200～NL400。
玩家水平是我玩过的几个站当中最高的。NL50还好，紧弱的比较多，我明显有一些edge
。NL100的大部分玩家在preflop和3b pot打的非常凶。我只能break even。之前在lock
玩NL10... 阅读全帖 |
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