x****a
发帖数: 817 | 1 ... and, the risks and my concerns.
First of all, I am what you guys will call, often with a sense of contempt,
"a lefty", especially in the social issues. I am pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-
lgbt, pro-BLM, ..., you name it. A typical west-coast lefty, and I am proud
of my positions. BTW: I think I am in the main stream in US and even the
whole world, and you guys are not, sorry, but that's true.
But, this is not the point of this post. The point is, after serious
considerations, I think I can support Mr. Trump in 2016.
Even though I am a lefty, or maybe because I am a lefty, I try to keep an
open mind. The biggest problem that I could never bring myself to support a
"traditional" conservative - which is pretty much everyone from the right
before Mr. Trump - is that they seem to think: "being conservative means
resisting any kind of change or deviation from the perceived tradition".
To me, that's just brain-dead, and also unfit to my oriental up-bringing of
the Tao and ying/yang - the philosophy that "change" is the only truth in
this universe.
But, Mr. Trump is not like that, not at all.
They say he's not consistent, he flip-flops, and even a con-man. To me, that
's a good sign. That means he's the only one from the "conservative" ranks,
who actually can embrace changes. That's why I can consider supporting him
in 2016.
Now, the risks and concerns:
No doubt Mr. Trump is a populist, which by the way is not a necessarily a
good term in political sense. We from China all know that there've been so
many very bad things done in the name of "we the people". So, we the people,
should be suspicious about "we the people".
And, maybe it's just his strategy, but he is trying to play with fire. I
know most of you guys don't like PC, but, imagine the opposite, if all of
sudden, a lot of your colleague, neighbors, even strangers, all start saying
things like "go back to where you are from", what are you going to do?
Some of you will say, well, some kids on the street are already saying that!
Well, if you think that's currently main stream in your life, then I do
feel sorry about your living conditions, and let me also encourage you to
consider "pull yourself up with your shoestring (or something like that)",
which is the favorite quote from the right, yes?
Let me repeat, Mr. Trump is playing with fire. Although I am glad to see
that he's pivoting to the middle, but it's not always the case that one
person can always control the mob, especially when the ugly sides are fired
up. PC, maybe inconvenient for some, is the lid. Get rid of PC, we, as
minority, are in grave danger of "we the people".
Real questions are: can we afford to take that risk, what will we gain, and
do we have to do it now?
It's impossible to answer all of those here, or ever. So, 2016, will be a
bet, especially for minorities like us. | c********e
发帖数: 4283 | 2 左逼人格分裂，一边大唱PC的赞歌，一边表示喜欢Trump的change.
我觉得他是喜欢Trump的大手手 ...
,
proud
a
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: ... and, the risks and my concerns.
: First of all, I am what you guys will call, often with a sense of contempt,
: "a lefty", especially in the social issues. I am pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-
: lgbt, pro-BLM, ..., you name it. A typical west-coast lefty, and I am proud
: of my positions. BTW: I think I am in the main stream in US and even the
: whole world, and you guys are not, sorry, but that's true.
: But, this is not the point of this post. The point is, after serious
: considerations, I think I can support Mr. Trump in 2016.
: Even though I am a lefty, or maybe because I am a lefty, I try to keep an
: open mind. The biggest problem that I could never bring myself to support a
| x****d
发帖数: 2239 | 3 Well articulated post.
For PC, I think it went way too far. Like you said, it's Ying/Yang, when you
go too far in one direction, it will bounce back hard. BLM is racist group
IMO.
I think GOP is in chaos. Democratic is less messy, not unified either.
I believe if Trump is elected, he probably will do something good, something
bad. But we don't have better alternatives, snowball in hell chance I will
vote for Hillary. | x****a
发帖数: 817 | 4 Obviously, something is seriously wrong with you.
People on this board, is this the company that you'd like to keep? What a
shame.
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 左逼人格分裂，一边大唱PC的赞歌，一边表示喜欢Trump的change.
: 我觉得他是喜欢Trump的大手手 ...
:
: ,
: proud
: a
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 5 PC can go wrong too, no doubt.
Like I said, real question is: do we have to bet right now?
you
group
something
will
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: Well articulated post.
: For PC, I think it went way too far. Like you said, it's Ying/Yang, when you
: go too far in one direction, it will bounce back hard. BLM is racist group
: IMO.
: I think GOP is in chaos. Democratic is less messy, not unified either.
: I believe if Trump is elected, he probably will do something good, something
: bad. But we don't have better alternatives, snowball in hell chance I will
: vote for Hillary.
| x****d
发帖数: 2239 | 6 The question really is: if not Trump, who do you support?
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: PC can go wrong too, no doubt.
: Like I said, real question is: do we have to bet right now?
:
: you
: group
: something
: will
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 7 Sigh, that's exactly the question which forced me to consider Mr. Trump...
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: The question really is: if not Trump, who do you support?
| A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 8 75 out of 100
语言基本通顺。缺乏书面文法的训练。
逻辑不够清晰，对用词含义缺乏理解。
建议重修6th grade
：... and, the risks and my concerns.
：First of all, I am what you guys will call, often with a sense of contempt
, "a lefty", especially in the social issues. I am pro-choice, anti-
gun, pro-
：lgbt, pro-BLM, ..., you name it. A typical west-coast lefty, and I am
proud of my positions. BTW: I think I am in the main stream in US and even
the
：whole world, and you guys are not, sorry, but that's true.
：But, this is not the point of this post. The point is, after serious
：considerations, I think I can support Mr. Trump in 2016.
：Even though I am a lefty, or maybe because I am a lefty, I try to keep an
：open mind. The biggest problem that I could never bring myself to support
a "traditional" conservative - which is pretty much everyone from
the right
：before Mr. Trump - is that they seem to think: "being conservative
means
：resisting any kind of change or deviation from the perceived tradition"
;.
：..........
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Sigh, that's exactly the question which forced me to consider Mr. Trump...
| T****7
发帖数: 307 | 9 If you can see the panic of the establishment of GOP going all out mud
slinging Mr. T, preparing to sabotage their own party in GE, would rather to
back HRC.
And what about HRC, if you are well versed of what she and her hubby does
for all those rich and powerful ... | x****a
发帖数: 817 | 10 Thank you, Professor.
But sorry, right now no time, maybe later after the Donald open a "Trump
Middle School".
contempt
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: 75 out of 100
: 语言基本通顺。缺乏书面文法的训练。
: 逻辑不够清晰，对用词含义缺乏理解。
: 建议重修6th grade
:
: ：... and, the risks and my concerns.
: ：First of all, I am what you guys will call, often with a sense of contempt
: , "a lefty", especially in the social issues. I am pro-choice, anti-
: gun, pro-
: ：lgbt, pro-BLM, ..., you name it. A typical west-coast lefty, and I am
| | | x****a
发帖数: 817 | 11 Sadly, I can see the rational of the "losing GE" strategy that RNC may be
considering.
R is in control of Congress and State&Local. Even if HRC is in WH, nothing
she can do can really harm them, just like the past 8 years.
So, RNC folks still have their careers secure, and bosses satisfied.
No comment on HRC.
to
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: If you can see the panic of the establishment of GOP going all out mud
: slinging Mr. T, preparing to sabotage their own party in GE, would rather to
: back HRC.
: And what about HRC, if you are well versed of what she and her hubby does
: for all those rich and powerful ...
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 12 Sadly, I can see the rational of the "losing GE" strategy that RNC may be
considering.
R is in control of Congress and State&Local. Even if HRC is in WH, nothing
she can do can really harm them, just like the past 8 years.
So, RNC folks still have their careers secure, and bosses satisfied.
No comment on HRC.
to
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: If you can see the panic of the establishment of GOP going all out mud
: slinging Mr. T, preparing to sabotage their own party in GE, would rather to
: back HRC.
: And what about HRC, if you are well versed of what she and her hubby does
: for all those rich and powerful ...
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 13 Sadly, I can see the rational of the "losing GE" strategy that RNC may be
considering.
R is in control of Congress and State&Local. Even if HRC is in WH, nothing
she can do can really harm them, just like the past 8 years.
So, RNC folks still have their careers secure, and bosses satisfied.
No comment on HRC.
to
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: If you can see the panic of the establishment of GOP going all out mud
: slinging Mr. T, preparing to sabotage their own party in GE, would rather to
: back HRC.
: And what about HRC, if you are well versed of what she and her hubby does
: for all those rich and powerful ...
| c********e
发帖数: 4283 | 14 你自己不make sense, 你是铁杆左派的，居然欣赏起来Trump的change。你认为政治正
确是必须的，而Trump恰恰是个政治很不正确的人。你支持BLM，Trump在rally的时候一
次次重复ALM.
就是为了change,感觉你一个self claimed的左派，却一直在寻找机会投靠一个保守人
士。
Trump的popularity就在于他激发起了美国老百姓憋屈了多年的热血 - （1）反政治正
确（怎么政治错误怎么讲），（2）boarder control, （3）hard on muslin
terrorists, （4） hard on illegal immigration. (5) bring back jobs to
America (实际就是anti-globalization)
而不是一个简单的change, 更何况change可不是flip-flop.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Obviously, something is seriously wrong with you.
: People on this board, is this the company that you'd like to keep? What a
: shame.
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 15 Now you're making some senses.
But, I feel you should first apologize for the childish and vulgar initial
response. That's not right, no matter how mad you're about the current main
stream.
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不make sense, 你是铁杆左派的，居然欣赏起来Trump的change。你认为政治正
: 确是必须的，而Trump恰恰是个政治很不正确的人。你支持BLM，Trump在rally的时候一
: 次次重复ALM.
: 就是为了change,感觉你一个self claimed的左派，却一直在寻找机会投靠一个保守人
: 士。
: Trump的popularity就在于他激发起了美国老百姓憋屈了多年的热血 - （1）反政治正
: 确（怎么政治错误怎么讲），（2）boarder control, （3）hard on muslin
: terrorists, （4） hard on illegal immigration. (5) bring back jobs to
: America (实际就是anti-globalization)
: 而不是一个简单的change, 更何况change可不是flip-flop.
| h***1
发帖数: 2263 | 16 他是左派，但不是左B，That is it !
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不make sense, 你是铁杆左派的，居然欣赏起来Trump的change。你认为政治正
: 确是必须的，而Trump恰恰是个政治很不正确的人。你支持BLM，Trump在rally的时候一
: 次次重复ALM.
: 就是为了change,感觉你一个self claimed的左派，却一直在寻找机会投靠一个保守人
: 士。
: Trump的popularity就在于他激发起了美国老百姓憋屈了多年的热血 - （1）反政治正
: 确（怎么政治错误怎么讲），（2）boarder control, （3）hard on muslin
: terrorists, （4） hard on illegal immigration. (5) bring back jobs to
: America (实际就是anti-globalization)
: 而不是一个简单的change, 更何况change可不是flip-flop.
| T****7
发帖数: 307 | 17 It is more than what Trump advertised so far. By all means this is very odd,
but with an open mind, you may realize that this is exactly -- "color
Revolution" swinging back to the USA.
It's people vs. the UNIPARTY, and it is also about time the true lefties
join the popular front of the people.
Think about the original GOP, the Lincoln's party, that is "of the people,
by the people and for the people".
And that is the change.
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不make sense, 你是铁杆左派的，居然欣赏起来Trump的change。你认为政治正
: 确是必须的，而Trump恰恰是个政治很不正确的人。你支持BLM，Trump在rally的时候一
: 次次重复ALM.
: 就是为了change,感觉你一个self claimed的左派，却一直在寻找机会投靠一个保守人
: 士。
: Trump的popularity就在于他激发起了美国老百姓憋屈了多年的热血 - （1）反政治正
: 确（怎么政治错误怎么讲），（2）boarder control, （3）hard on muslin
: terrorists, （4） hard on illegal immigration. (5) bring back jobs to
: America (实际就是anti-globalization)
: 而不是一个简单的change, 更何况change可不是flip-flop.
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 18 pro-BLM的华人?这个华人要多脑残才能说出这种话来？ | T****7
发帖数: 307 | 19 Logically it is valid as it is part of ALM
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: pro-BLM的华人?这个华人要多脑残才能说出这种话来？
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 20 You guys are really into naming people and put them into categories, aren't
you?
I don't think that's right too, but, looking at my post, I do that too...
【在 h***1 的大作中提到】
: 他是左派，但不是左B，That is it !
| | | l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 21 其实也挺容易理解的.
有个说法解释为什么gay佬一直会换partner, 就是因为gay佬想找一个真正的男人. 但
一个真正的男人绝对不会是gay佬. 所以他们一直在找,一直换partner.
好比党卫军上校冯迪特里施一直在找瓦尔特但一直找不到一样, 呵呵.
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不make sense, 你是铁杆左派的，居然欣赏起来Trump的change。你认为政治正
: 确是必须的，而Trump恰恰是个政治很不正确的人。你支持BLM，Trump在rally的时候一
: 次次重复ALM.
: 就是为了change,感觉你一个self claimed的左派，却一直在寻找机会投靠一个保守人
: 士。
: Trump的popularity就在于他激发起了美国老百姓憋屈了多年的热血 - （1）反政治正
: 确（怎么政治错误怎么讲），（2）boarder control, （3）hard on muslin
: terrorists, （4） hard on illegal immigration. (5) bring back jobs to
: America (实际就是anti-globalization)
: 而不是一个简单的change, 更何况change可不是flip-flop.
| c********e
发帖数: 4283 | 22 apologize my ass, just want to say this, you want attention? that's what you
got.
lefties often think they are the better kind of human being, they are the
ones who have not only brain and wealth, more importantly, they also have a
big heart! so of course they are entitled to educate people in a
condescending tone.
did you mention you are from the west coast?
cast your vote for Mr. Trump on the November election day, then get out of
my face, you hypocrite!
main
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Now you're making some senses.
: But, I feel you should first apologize for the childish and vulgar initial
: response. That's not right, no matter how mad you're about the current main
: stream.
| x****d
发帖数: 2239 | 23 Have to agree, if you look hard enough, GOP and Democratic party are fake
two party system, they pretend to be different, arguing all day long on some
issues.
After back door, they are laughing to the bank all day long.
Trump is disruption force, they are very afraid. GOP establishment would
rather kick Trump out, let Hillary win, 4 years later they can come back
with another puppet.
odd,
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: It is more than what Trump advertised so far. By all means this is very odd,
: but with an open mind, you may realize that this is exactly -- "color
: Revolution" swinging back to the USA.
: It's people vs. the UNIPARTY, and it is also about time the true lefties
: join the popular front of the people.
: Think about the original GOP, the Lincoln's party, that is "of the people,
: by the people and for the people".
: And that is the change.
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 24 I think I can agree with you, which is what the first half of my post was
about.
But, the 2nd half, I was trying to point out the risks, and what are we
trying to gain by making that bet.
We don't have to have a clear answer now, to those questions, but we should
at least be aware and alert.
I always laugh (with no bad feelings) at some particularly enthusiastic
young lady on this board. I wish her well, and I do hope life won't teach
her a totally different lesson some years later.
odd,
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: It is more than what Trump advertised so far. By all means this is very odd,
: but with an open mind, you may realize that this is exactly -- "color
: Revolution" swinging back to the USA.
: It's people vs. the UNIPARTY, and it is also about time the true lefties
: join the popular front of the people.
: Think about the original GOP, the Lincoln's party, that is "of the people,
: by the people and for the people".
: And that is the change.
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 25 What's wrong with BLM?
You think Black Lives doesn't matter? What about Yellow Lives then?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: pro-BLM的华人?这个华人要多脑残才能说出这种话来？
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 26 Again, childish and vulgar.
Pathetic.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 其实也挺容易理解的.
: 有个说法解释为什么gay佬一直会换partner, 就是因为gay佬想找一个真正的男人. 但
: 一个真正的男人绝对不会是gay佬. 所以他们一直在找,一直换partner.
: 好比党卫军上校冯迪特里施一直在找瓦尔特但一直找不到一样, 呵呵.
| c********e
发帖数: 4283 | 27 that's why I suspect he is actually more interested in Trump's "big hand"
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 其实也挺容易理解的.
: 有个说法解释为什么gay佬一直会换partner, 就是因为gay佬想找一个真正的男人. 但
: 一个真正的男人绝对不会是gay佬. 所以他们一直在找,一直换partner.
: 好比党卫军上校冯迪特里施一直在找瓦尔特但一直找不到一样, 呵呵.
| T****7
发帖数: 307 | 28 First, let me congratulate OP for his/her bravery of stepping out of comfort
zone of thinking inside the box. This truly is the time of an emerging
REVOLUTION.
Enough divide and conquer tactics from the UNIPARTY with their phony "
infightings" year after year upon phony and petty issues while trying their
best to divert from true issues -- that is, about $$$, where the $$$ comes
from, where it goes, who gets a smaller or a bigger share.
It's people vs. the establishment. Trump is probably not an ideal leader of
the people, however thus far he has already rattled the establishment so
much and they are already pulling off all stops to go after him.
Unbelievable, he was practically one of THEM just before the events are in
motion -- he's one of the big donors of BOTH parties. Feel like it was just
yesterday. | h***1
发帖数: 2263 | 29 BLM 的 problem 就是：他们说BLM 的时候，你
不能说YLM 或任何其他非B的LM. 甚至连All LM
都不能说。
你是真傻还是装纯洁呀？
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: What's wrong with BLM?
: You think Black Lives doesn't matter? What about Yellow Lives then?
| T****7
发帖数: 307 | 30 For the conservatives here, which I am probably one, those who are
comfortably sitting in suburban middle class mac_Mansions but intelligent
enough to realize that the establishment are squeezing us as well as all the
other working people of this nation, it is time to reach out and be united
with folks like OP.
The UNIPARTY is too strong and too powerful. It is a shame for we the people
allow ourselves to be divided, because if we let them, we will be conquered
. | | | x****a
发帖数: 817 | 31 I actually think the two-party and winner-take-all system may be the problem
. Some folks on this board are angry, because they are economically insecure
(who isn't in nowadays), not main-stream, and thus not-represented in both
the media , the government, or even the society as a whole.
Again, going back to "change is the only invariant": how much change the
rest of the world (like China and India) have tried in the recent 30 years?
And, the US is still talking about founding-fathers who are 300+ years old?
US is going to lose, if she doesn't embrace change.
some
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: Have to agree, if you look hard enough, GOP and Democratic party are fake
: two party system, they pretend to be different, arguing all day long on some
: issues.
: After back door, they are laughing to the bank all day long.
: Trump is disruption force, they are very afraid. GOP establishment would
: rather kick Trump out, let Hillary win, 4 years later they can come back
: with another puppet.
:
: odd,
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 32 I think it's you guys who are "真傻".
Haven't you learned the "yes, but..." way of saying things?
【在 h***1 的大作中提到】
: BLM 的 problem 就是：他们说BLM 的时候，你
: 不能说YLM 或任何其他非B的LM. 甚至连All LM
: 都不能说。
: 你是真傻还是装纯洁呀？
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 33 hear! hear!
BTW: what does OP stands for?
the
united
people
conquered
【在 T****7 的大作中提到】
: For the conservatives here, which I am probably one, those who are
: comfortably sitting in suburban middle class mac_Mansions but intelligent
: enough to realize that the establishment are squeezing us as well as all the
: other working people of this nation, it is time to reach out and be united
: with folks like OP.
: The UNIPARTY is too strong and too powerful. It is a shame for we the people
: allow ourselves to be divided, because if we let them, we will be conquered
: .
| x****d
发帖数: 2239 | 34 Well said, xixiwa & TG2007,
What I like Trump most is he single-handly exposed everything in front of
America, the dirty politics, those puppets, those who are truly in control,
those who are so afraid of losing power.
For this reason alone, I will vote for him. | x****a
发帖数: 817 | 35 :)
People are really attracted to heroic personalities. Nothing wrong with that
, at all. | D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 36 看了半天，还是不很懂你标题里那个“can”是什么意思。作为选民，你当然可以(“
can”)支持任何一个候选人了。估计你的意思是“I WOULD support Trump”吧。
,
proud
a
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: ... and, the risks and my concerns.
: First of all, I am what you guys will call, often with a sense of contempt,
: "a lefty", especially in the social issues. I am pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-
: lgbt, pro-BLM, ..., you name it. A typical west-coast lefty, and I am proud
: of my positions. BTW: I think I am in the main stream in US and even the
: whole world, and you guys are not, sorry, but that's true.
: But, this is not the point of this post. The point is, after serious
: considerations, I think I can support Mr. Trump in 2016.
: Even though I am a lefty, or maybe because I am a lefty, I try to keep an
: open mind. The biggest problem that I could never bring myself to support a
| S******4
发帖数: 2865 | 37 这个很well articulated么？
我怎么没看到他为什么想vote for Drumpf啊？看到一大堆risks and concerns....
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: Well articulated post.
: For PC, I think it went way too far. Like you said, it's Ying/Yang, when you
: go too far in one direction, it will bounce back hard. BLM is racist group
: IMO.
: I think GOP is in chaos. Democratic is less messy, not unified either.
: I believe if Trump is elected, he probably will do something good, something
: bad. But we don't have better alternatives, snowball in hell chance I will
: vote for Hillary.
| h***1
发帖数: 2263 | 38 下次BLM们聚会的时候，你去yes but 一次试试，
看看你能不能全须全尾的爬出来。。。
女克以前yes but 过一次，被喷得半死，事后差点没破腹谢罪。
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I think it's you guys who are "真傻".
: Haven't you learned the "yes, but..." way of saying things?
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