y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 40% public school teacher send their kids to private school
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 15 16:51:43 2012, 美东)
把自己孩子送私立 然后罢工
嘿嘿
In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private
schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38
percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where
34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their
children; 33 percent in New York City and New Jersey suburbs; and 29 percent
in Milwaukee and New Orleans.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/22/20040922-122847-5 | t*****o
发帖数: 81 | 2 私利学校收费高，教育质量比公立学校好，越富的家庭越会把小孩送到私利学校。这些
都是基本的事实。
2010的数据（样本空间有近8million个家庭）：家庭收入$75K以下的，4%的送小孩上私
立学校；$75K以上的，9.5%的上私立。
http://www.census.gov/hhes/school/data/cps/2010/tab08_10.xls
再来看看你引用的这篇文章的末尾：
The report says the school choice movement has begun competitively forcing
public school improvement, particularly in cities like Milwaukee, called “a
hotbed of school reform,” where 29.4 percent of public school teachers
sent their children to private schools, the study finds.
“Narrow the search to teachers making less than $42,000 and the percentage
enrolling their children in private schools drops to 10 percent. Because
Milwaukee is a hotbed of school reform, it’s possible that teachers making
less than $42,000 are beginning to favor the public school system.”
“If so, it might be evidence that choice is having the intended effect of
spurring improvements in public education there. Or perhaps the emergence of
[public school] charters has provided another free option to lower-income
teachers who might otherwise choose private schooling.”
这里面的逻辑是这样：Milwaukee的公立学校老师中30%的送小孩上私立，但是收入低于
$42K的老师只有10%的能送小孩上私立。如果把教师的工资降到$42K的话，就能“
spurring improvements in public education”，或者更多的小孩会上charter
school。
潜台词是什么：如果我们能把教师的工资降到最低，他们的收入根本不可能去送他们的
小孩上私立。另外，这样就不可能找到或者留住好老师，然后就可以推动charter
school的发展了。说什么改善公立学校的教育纯粹是胡扯。你用麦当劳员工的工资能把
公立教育做好？
还有以下几个问题我们可以讨论以下：
(1)Washington Times的这篇文章到底是谁写的？为什么居然都没有署名？这又不是什
么社论。我建议你以后不要转这种无名无姓的文章。
(2)为什么Milwaukee? 因为Wisconsin的州长scott walker以前就是从那儿出来的。
Washington Times的这篇文章的发表日期是04年9月，那时候walker是Milwaukee
County Executive。比给公立学校老师降工资更有效的办法，我有一个，所有从纳税人
拿工资的，从obama开始，到walker，再到下面city mayor，他们的小孩必须上公立，
否则必须离职。
(3)为什么要在最后暴露这片文章的根本目的，推动charter school？首先没有证据证
明charter school（目前的教育部长也在倡导这个）比传统的public shcool要好。其
次，这个研究机构Thomas B. Fordham Institute到底是什么组织？Its stated
mission is "to close America's vexing achievement gaps by raising standards,
strengthening accountability, and expanding education options for parents
and families." 请留意最后一项。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_B._Fordham_Institute
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【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: 40% public school teacher send their kids to private school
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 15 16:51:43 2012, 美东)
: 把自己孩子送私立 然后罢工
: 嘿嘿
: In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private
: schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38
: percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where
: 34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their
| w*****s
发帖数: 2896 | 3 垃圾工会, 早死早超生.
左派分子没一个好的. 自私, 贪婪, 虚伪, 冷酷, 腐败, 看看前苏联演义, 就能看清是什
么货色了. | w*****s
发帖数: 2896 | 4 "40% public school teacher send their kids to private school"
瞧瞧, 这就是左派分子的德性 - 投机. | y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 纪录片 waiting for superman 已经把为什么公立学校失败的原因讲的很透彻了
Most Charter schools do not involve union, no union dues. That's one major
reason union hate it so much.
You guys can fool some of people some time. No way you can fool all the
people all the time
People are waking up.
“a
【在 t*****o 的大作中提到】
: 私利学校收费高，教育质量比公立学校好，越富的家庭越会把小孩送到私利学校。这些
: 都是基本的事实。
: 2010的数据（样本空间有近8million个家庭）：家庭收入$75K以下的，4%的送小孩上私
: 立学校；$75K以上的，9.5%的上私立。
: http://www.census.gov/hhes/school/data/cps/2010/tab08_10.xls
: 再来看看你引用的这篇文章的末尾：
: The report says the school choice movement has begun competitively forcing
: public school improvement, particularly in cities like Milwaukee, called “a
: hotbed of school reform,” where 29.4 percent of public school teachers
: sent their children to private schools, the study finds.
| t*****o
发帖数: 81 | 6 我不跟你辩论rhetoric or ideology，我只跟你讲事实。
You need to wake up!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_%22Superman%22
A 2009 study done by Stanford University found that, on average, charter
schools perform about the same or worse than public schools. The film does
note, however, that most charter schools do not outperform public schools
and focuses on those that do. It also states that only one in five charter
schools outperform public schools (close to the 17% statistic).
Charter school performance compared to public schools
Same: 46%
Worse: 37%
Better: 17%
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 纪录片 waiting for superman 已经把为什么公立学校失败的原因讲的很透彻了
: Most Charter schools do not involve union, no union dues. That's one major
: reason union hate it so much.
: You guys can fool some of people some time. No way you can fool all the
: people all the time
: People are waking up.
:
: “a
| y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 7 很高兴,你能自己开始作research了.
standford的这个research早已经给驳烂了.你可以随便搜.
比如下面是经济学人最新的文章.
http://www.economist.com/node/21558265
Hundreds of other studies have been done on charters; but most are of
dubious quality.
The Credo study has been criticised for not comparing the results of
children who have won charter-school lotteries with those who have not—a
natural experiment in which the only difference between winners and losers
should be the schooling they receive. Such studies suggest that charters are
better. For example, a lottery study in New York City found that by eighth
grade (around 13), charter-school pupils were 30 points ahead in maths.
However, recent work by Mathematica, an independent policy group, suggests
that the Credo study is sound. The bigger problem is that its findings have
been misinterpreted.
charter school performance is not so “mixed” if you look at the data on a
state-by-state basis, rather than across the country as a whole. States with
reading and maths gains that were significantly higher for charter-school
students than in traditional schools included Arkansas, Colorado (Denver),
Illinois (Chicago), Louisiana and Missouri.
说到底,charter school最大的阻力是什么?
Much of the unease has been stirred up by teachers' unions; charter schools
do not usually employ unionised teachers.
明白了这一层,就什么都明白了.
当芝加哥教师工会,拿着全美第一高薪,开始罢工,
所有工会伪君子们"为了孩子"的口号,全部变成了一个个破碎的肥皂泡.
【在 t*****o 的大作中提到】
: 我不跟你辩论rhetoric or ideology，我只跟你讲事实。
: You need to wake up!!
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_%22Superman%22
: A 2009 study done by Stanford University found that, on average, charter
: schools perform about the same or worse than public schools. The film does
: note, however, that most charter schools do not outperform public schools
: and focuses on those that do. It also states that only one in five charter
: schools outperform public schools (close to the 17% statistic).
: Charter school performance compared to public schools
: Same: 46%
| w**d
发帖数: 956 | 8 前布什总统领导了八年打下了那么好的教育制度,推出并签署的“no childe left
behind act"， 现在还在实施，真想不到还不到四年，现在成了这样，让yourtt同学痛
心疾首，又要有多少不眠之夜。
are
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 很高兴,你能自己开始作research了.
: standford的这个research早已经给驳烂了.你可以随便搜.
: 比如下面是经济学人最新的文章.
: http://www.economist.com/node/21558265
: Hundreds of other studies have been done on charters; but most are of
: dubious quality.
: The Credo study has been criticised for not comparing the results of
: children who have won charter-school lotteries with those who have not—a
: natural experiment in which the only difference between winners and losers
: should be the schooling they receive. Such studies suggest that charters are
| y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 9 everything union touches, eventually become a joke.
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 前布什总统领导了八年打下了那么好的教育制度,推出并签署的“no childe left
: behind act"， 现在还在实施，真想不到还不到四年，现在成了这样，让yourtt同学痛
: 心疾首，又要有多少不眠之夜。
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