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发帖数: 1776 | 1 第二十八章 论洗礼
一．洗礼是由耶稣基督设立的新约圣礼（太28:19），不仅是为严肃地接纳受洗者进
入有形的教会（林前12:13），而且对他乃是一种记号和印证，以表明恩典之约（罗4:1
1同西2:11-12），与基督的联合（加3:27；罗6:5），重生（多3:5），罪得赦免（可1:
4），和他藉着耶稣基督将自己奉献给上帝，行事为人有新生的样式（罗6:3-4）；基督
亲自指定这圣礼应在教会中继续，直到世界的末了（太28:19-20）。
二．此圣礼所用的外表物质为水，藉此受洗者由合乎圣经蒙召的牧师，奉父、子、圣灵
的名施洗（太3:11；约1:33；太28:19，20）。
三．将受洗者浸入水中并非必要；浇水或洒水于受洗者，便是合宜的洗礼（来9:10，19
－22；徒2:41；16:33；可7:4）。
四．不仅凡是宣认信仰并顺服基督的人（可16:15-16；徒8:37-38），而且凡是父母双方
或一方为信徒的婴孩，都应受洗（创17:7，9；加3:9，14；西2:11-12；徒2:38-39；罗
4:11-12；林前7:14；太28:19；可10:13－16；路18:15）。
五．藐视或忽略洗礼，乃是大罪（路7:30；出4:24－26）；但恩典与拯救并非不可分割
地与此礼联系，以至于没有它便无人能重生或得救（罗4:11；徒10:2，4，22，31，45，
47），或是凡受过洗者都无疑重生了（徒8:13，23）。
六．虽然洗礼的功效并不维系于施行时的瞬间（约3:5，8）；但是，人若正当地使用此
礼，圣灵就藉此对凡照着上帝的旨意应得那所应许之恩典的人（无论老幼），在祂所指
定的时候，不仅将此恩典放在他们面前，而且实在地赐给他们（加3:27；多3:5；弗5:2
5-26；徒2:38，41）。
七．不论对任何人，洗礼只宜施行一次（多3:5）。 | C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 2 CHAPTER XXVIII
Of Baptism
I. Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ,[52
2] not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible
church;[523] but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of gra
ce,[524] of his ingrafting into Christ,[525] of regeneration,[526] of remiss
ion of sins,[527] and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to wa
lk in newness of life.[528] Which sacrament is, by Christ’s own appointment
, to be continued in his church until the end of the world.[529]
II. The outward element to be used in this sacrament is water, wherewith the
party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Ghost, by a minister of the gospel, lawfully called thereunto.[530]
III. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is r
ightly administered by pouring, or sprinkling water upon the person.[531]
IV. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Chri
st,[532] but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents, are to be
baptized.[533]
V. Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance,[534] yet
grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no pers
on can be regenerated, or saved, without it;[535] or, that all that are bapt
ized are undoubtedly regenerated.[536]
VI. The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is
administered;[537] yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance
, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferre
d, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belo
ngeth unto, according to the counsel of God’s own will, in his appointed ti
me.[538]
VII. The sacrament of baptism is but once to be administered unto any person
.[539]
[522] Matthew 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
[523] 1 Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one bo
dy, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have bee
n all made to drink into one Spirit.
[524] Romans 4:11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the r
ighteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he migh
t be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; th
at righteousness might be imputed unto them also. Colossians 2:11-12. In who
m also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putti
ng off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buri
ed with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith
of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[525] Galatians 3:27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ h
ave put on Christ. Romans 6:5. For if we have been planted together in the l
ikeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.
[526] Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but accor
ding to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost.
[527] Mark 1:4. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism o
f repentance for the remission of sins.
[528] Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Je
sus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the
glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[529] Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing th
em in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teachin
g them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
[530] Matthew 3:11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he
that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear
knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto
me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, th
e same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye th
erefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, an
d of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things wha
tsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the en
d of the world. Amen.
[531] Hebrews 9:10, 19-22. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers
washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformati
on.... For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according t
o the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet
wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying,
This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreove
r he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the mi
nistry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
shedding of blood is no remission. Acts 2:41. Then they that gladly received
his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about t
hree thousand souls. Acts 16:33. And he took them the same hour of the night
, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. M
ark 7:4. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not.
And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the wa
shing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
[532] Mark 16:15-16. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and pr
each the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall b
e saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Acts 8:37-38. And Philip
said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered
and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded th
e chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Phili
p and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
[533] Genesis 17:7, 9. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to
be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.... And God said unto Abraha
m, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in t
heir generations. Galatians 3:9, 14. So then they which be of faith are bles
sed with faithful Abraham.... That the blessing of Abraham might come on the
Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spi
rit through faith. Colossians 2:11-12. In whom also ye are circumcised with
the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of
the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein
also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who h
ath raised him from the dead. Acts 2:38-39. Then Peter said unto them, Repen
t, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remi
ssion of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the prom
ise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as
many as the Lord our God shall call. Romans 4:11-12. And he received the si
gn of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had ye
t being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe,
though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto th
em also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcis
ion only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham
, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 1 Corinthians 7:14. For the unbeliev
ing husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctifie
d by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. Ma
tthew 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the n
ame of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Mark 10:13-16. And
they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disc
iples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much di
spleased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, an
d forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you,
Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall
not enter therein. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them,
and blessed them. Luke 18:15. And they brought unto him also infants, that
he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
[534] Luke 7:30. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God a
gainst themselves, being not baptized of him. Exodus 4:24-26. And it came to
pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and c
ast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he
let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumc
ision.
[535] Romans 4:11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the r
ighteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he migh
t be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; th
at righteousness might be imputed unto them also. Acts 10:2, 4, 22, 31, 45,
47. A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave muc
h alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.... And when he looked on him,
he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayer
s and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.... And they said, Co
rnelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good rep
ort among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel t
o send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.... And said, Corn
elius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sig
ht of God.... And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, a
s many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.... Can any man forbid water, that these should n
ot be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[536] Acts 8:13, 23. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was bapti
zed, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and sign
s which were done.... For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness
, and in the bond of iniquity.
[537] John 3:5, 8. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of
God.... The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound there
of, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every o
ne that is born of the Spirit.
[538] Galatians 3:27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ h
ave put on Christ. Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have do
ne, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Ephesians 5:25-26. Husbands, love your wives
, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he mig
ht sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Acts 2:38,
41. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost.... Then they that gladly received his word were bap
tized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand soul
s.
[539] Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but accor
ding to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost. | C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 3 第二十八章 论洗礼
一．洗礼是由耶稣基督设立的新约圣礼（太28:19），不仅是为严肃地接纳受洗者进
入有形的教会（林前12:13），而且对他乃是一种记号和印证，以表明恩典之约（罗4:1
1同西2:11-12），与基督的联合（加3:27；罗6:5），重生（多3:5），罪得赦免（可1:
4），和他藉着耶稣基督将自己奉献给上帝，行事为人有新生的样式（罗6:3-4）；基督
亲自指定这圣礼应在教会中继续，直到世界的末了（太28:19-20）。
二．此圣礼所用的外表物质为水，藉此受洗者由合乎圣经蒙召的牧师，奉父、子、圣灵
的名施洗（太3:11；约1:33；太28:19，20）。
三．将受洗者浸入水中并非必要；浇水或洒水于受洗者，便是合宜的洗礼（来9:10，19
－22；徒2:41；16:33；可7:4）。
四．不仅凡是宣认信仰并顺服基督的人（可16:15-16；徒8:37-38），而且凡是父母双方
或一方为信徒的婴孩，都应受洗（创17:7，9；加3:9，14；西2:11-12；徒2:38-39；罗
4:11-12；林前7:14；太28:19；可10:13－16；路18:15）。
五．藐视或忽略洗礼，乃是大罪（路7:30；出4:24－26）；但恩典与拯救并非不可分割
地与此礼联系，以至于没有它便无人能重生或得救（罗4:11；徒10:2，4，22，31，45，
47），或是凡受过洗者都无疑重生了（徒8:13，23）。
六．虽然洗礼的功效并不维系于施行时的瞬间（约3:5，8）；但是，人若正当地使用此
礼，圣灵就藉此对凡照着上帝的旨意应得那所应许之恩典的人（无论老幼），在祂所指
定的时候，不仅将此恩典放在他们面前，而且实在地赐给他们（加3:27；多3:5；弗5:2
5-26；徒2:38，41）。
七．不论对任何人，洗礼只宜施行一次（多3:5）。 | C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 4 CHAPTER XXVIII
Of Baptism
I. Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ,[52
2] not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible
church;[523] but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of gra
ce,[524] of his ingrafting into Christ,[525] of regeneration,[526] of remiss
ion of sins,[527] and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to wa
lk in newness of life.[528] Which sacrament is, by Christ’s own appointment
, to be continued in his church until the end of the world.[529]
II. The outward element to be used in this sacrament is water, wherewith the
party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Ghost, by a minister of the gospel, lawfully called thereunto.[530]
III. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is r
ightly administered by pouring, or sprinkling water upon the person.[531]
IV. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Chri
st,[532] but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents, are to be
baptized.[533]
V. Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance,[534] yet
grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no pers
on can be regenerated, or saved, without it;[535] or, that all that are bapt
ized are undoubtedly regenerated.[536]
VI. The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is
administered;[537] yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance
, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferre
d, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belo
ngeth unto, according to the counsel of God’s own will, in his appointed ti
me.[538]
VII. The sacrament of baptism is but once to be administered unto any person
.[539]
[522] Matthew 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
[523] 1 Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one bo
dy, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have bee
n all made to drink into one Spirit.
[524] Romans 4:11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the r
ighteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he migh
t be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; th
at righteousness might be imputed unto them also. Colossians 2:11-12. In who
m also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putti
ng off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buri
ed with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith
of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[525] Galatians 3:27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ h
ave put on Christ. Romans 6:5. For if we have been planted together in the l
ikeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.
[526] Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but accor
ding to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost.
[527] Mark 1:4. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism o
f repentance for the remission of sins.
[528] Romans 6:3-4. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Je
sus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the
glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[529] Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing th
em in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teachin
g them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
[530] Matthew 3:11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he
that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear
knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto
me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, th
e same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye th
erefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, an
d of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things wha
tsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the en
d of the world. Amen.
[531] Hebrews 9:10, 19-22. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers
washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformati
on.... For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according t
o the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet
wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying,
This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreove
r he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the mi
nistry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
shedding of blood is no remission. Acts 2:41. Then they that gladly received
his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about t
hree thousand souls. Acts 16:33. And he took them the same hour of the night
, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. M
ark 7:4. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not.
And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the wa
shing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
[532] Mark 16:15-16. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and pr
each the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall b
e saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Acts 8:37-38. And Philip
said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered
and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded th
e chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Phili
p and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
[533] Genesis 17:7, 9. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to
be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.... And God said unto Abraha
m, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in t
heir generations. Galatians 3:9, 14. So then they which be of faith are bles
sed with faithful Abraham.... That the blessing of Abraham might come on the
Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spi
rit through faith. Colossians 2:11-12. In whom also ye are circumcised with
the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of
the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein
also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who h
ath raised him from the dead. Acts 2:38-39. Then Peter said unto them, Repen
t, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remi
ssion of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the prom
ise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as
many as the Lord our God shall call. Romans 4:11-12. And he received the si
gn of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had ye
t being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe,
though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto th
em also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcis
ion only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham
, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 1 Corinthians 7:14. For the unbeliev
ing husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctifie
d by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. Ma
tthew 28:19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the n
ame of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Mark 10:13-16. And
they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disc
iples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much di
spleased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, an
d forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you,
Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall
not enter therein. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them,
and blessed them. Luke 18:15. And they brought unto him also infants, that
he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
[534] Luke 7:30. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God a
gainst themselves, being not baptized of him. Exodus 4:24-26. And it came to
pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and c
ast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he
let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumc
ision.
[535] Romans 4:11. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the r
ighteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he migh
t be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; th
at righteousness might be imputed unto them also. Acts 10:2, 4, 22, 31, 45,
47. A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave muc
h alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.... And when he looked on him,
he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayer
s and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.... And they said, Co
rnelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good rep
ort among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel t
o send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.... And said, Corn
elius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sig
ht of God.... And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, a
s many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.... Can any man forbid water, that these should n
ot be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[536] Acts 8:13, 23. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was bapti
zed, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and sign
s which were done.... For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness
, and in the bond of iniquity.
[537] John 3:5, 8. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of
God.... The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound there
of, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every o
ne that is born of the Spirit.
[538] Galatians 3:27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ h
ave put on Christ. Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have do
ne, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Ephesians 5:25-26. Husbands, love your wives
, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he mig
ht sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Acts 2:38,
41. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost.... Then they that gladly received his word were bap
tized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand soul
s.
[539] Titus 3:5. Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but accor
ding to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost. | R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 Calvinism teaches that infant baptism is a must.
者进
1:
19
【在 C****i 的大作中提到】
: 第二十八章 论洗礼
: 一．洗礼是由耶稣基督设立的新约圣礼（太28:19），不仅是为严肃地接纳受洗者进
: 入有形的教会（林前12:13），而且对他乃是一种记号和印证，以表明恩典之约（罗4:1
: 1同西2:11-12），与基督的联合（加3:27；罗6:5），重生（多3:5），罪得赦免（可1:
: 4），和他藉着耶稣基督将自己奉献给上帝，行事为人有新生的样式（罗6:3-4）；基督
: 亲自指定这圣礼应在教会中继续，直到世界的末了（太28:19-20）。
: 二．此圣礼所用的外表物质为水，藉此受洗者由合乎圣经蒙召的牧师，奉父、子、圣灵
: 的名施洗（太3:11；约1:33；太28:19，20）。
: 三．将受洗者浸入水中并非必要；浇水或洒水于受洗者，便是合宜的洗礼（来9:10，19
: －22；徒2:41；16:33；可7:4）。
| r********7
发帖数: 887 | 6 是么？加尔文说的？
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Calvinism teaches that infant baptism is a must.
:
: 者进
: 1:
: 19
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 7 yes
【在 r********7 的大作中提到】
: 是么？加尔文说的？
| r********7
发帖数: 887 | 8 那他可真是敢胡说！哈。我找找他在哪里说的这个。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: yes
| r********7
发帖数: 887 | 9 看来加尔文的问题，比李常受确实严重得多啊。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: yes
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 Progressive revelation
【在 r********7 的大作中提到】
: 看来加尔文的问题，比李常受确实严重得多啊。
| | | m******d
发帖数: 177 | | n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 12 三．将受洗者浸入水中并非必要；浇水或洒水于受洗者，便是合宜的洗礼（来9:10，19
－22；徒2:41；16:33；可7:4）。
使徒行传这几次哪里说明不是浸入水中啦？
这几个经节完全看不出来说浸入水中不必要啊~ | n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 13 虽然我还是倾向水浸，不过这些都不是圣经的中心及要素~ | R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 Romans 13:9
The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal,"
"Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up
in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 虽然我还是倾向水浸，不过这些都不是圣经的中心及要素~
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 15 我没怎么读过英文圣经，英文也不是很好~
13:8 凡事都不可虧欠人，惟有彼此相愛，要常以為虧欠，因為愛人的就完全了律法。
13:9 因為“不可姦淫，不可殺人，不可偷盜，不可貪心，”以及任何別的誡命，都
總括在“要愛鄰舍如同自己”這一句話裏面了。
13:10 愛是不加害與鄰舍的，所以愛乃是律法的完滿。
Amen！
,"
up
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Romans 13:9
: The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal,"
: "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up
: in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 16 obviously, JYM never knows this commandment
法。
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 我没怎么读过英文圣经，英文也不是很好~
: 13:8 凡事都不可虧欠人，惟有彼此相愛，要常以為虧欠，因為愛人的就完全了律法。
: 13:9 因為“不可姦淫，不可殺人，不可偷盜，不可貪心，”以及任何別的誡命，都
: 總括在“要愛鄰舍如同自己”這一句話裏面了。
: 13:10 愛是不加害與鄰舍的，所以愛乃是律法的完滿。
: Amen！
:
: ,"
: up
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 17 的确，jym弟兄现在被很多人口诛笔伐。
我认为尽管他专注对字句，对理论道理的钻研，相对属灵的实际有所不足，造成了一些
”法利赛“”经学家“的倾向，但他在真理的装备，在圣经的了解上是我们需要学习的
，他是我们的弟兄，加尔文的弟兄姐妹也是我们的弟兄姐妹，我们要彼此相爱。
帖撒罗尼迦前书
5:12 弟兄们，我们还请求你们，要敬重那些在你们中间劳苦，并在主里带领你们，
劝戒你们的人，
5:13 又因他们所作的工，在爱里格外尊重他们；你们也要彼此和睦。
5:14 弟兄们，我们劝你们，要劝戒不守规矩的人，抚慰灰心的人，扶持软弱的人，
又要对众人恒忍。
5:15 你们要当心，谁都不可以恶报恶，却要在彼此相待，或对待众人上，常常竭力
追求良善。
5:16 要常常喜乐，
5:17 不住的祷告，
5:18 凡事谢恩；因为这是神在基督耶稣里对你们的旨意。
5:19 不要销灭那灵，
5:20 不要藐视申言者的话，
5:21 但要凡事察验，善美的要持守，
5:22 各种的恶事要远离禁作。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: obviously, JYM never knows this commandment
:
: 法。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 18 Amen!
神给每位弟兄姐妹的恩赐不同，有的偏重真理，有的偏重爱。
jym的真理装备是可以造就人的。
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 的确，jym弟兄现在被很多人口诛笔伐。
: 我认为尽管他专注对字句，对理论道理的钻研，相对属灵的实际有所不足，造成了一些
: ”法利赛“”经学家“的倾向，但他在真理的装备，在圣经的了解上是我们需要学习的
: ，他是我们的弟兄，加尔文的弟兄姐妹也是我们的弟兄姐妹，我们要彼此相爱。
: 帖撒罗尼迦前书
: 5:12 弟兄们，我们还请求你们，要敬重那些在你们中间劳苦，并在主里带领你们，
: 劝戒你们的人，
: 5:13 又因他们所作的工，在爱里格外尊重他们；你们也要彼此和睦。
: 5:14 弟兄们，我们劝你们，要劝戒不守规矩的人，抚慰灰心的人，扶持软弱的人，
: 又要对众人恒忍。
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 19 另一方面。真理与爱也不是分割，隔绝的。真理的实际就是神自己，真正被真理充满的
人也应该是充满爱的，因为神就是光，神就是爱。不然，字句的真理还是很难建造人的~
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: Amen!
: 神给每位弟兄姐妹的恩赐不同，有的偏重真理，有的偏重爱。
: jym的真理装备是可以造就人的。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 20 嗯，我同意。
的~
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 另一方面。真理与爱也不是分割，隔绝的。真理的实际就是神自己，真正被真理充满的
: 人也应该是充满爱的，因为神就是光，神就是爱。不然，字句的真理还是很难建造人的~
| | | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 21 同意啥啊
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，我同意。
:
: 的~
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 22 同意他说的话呀。你有意见啊？
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 同意啥啊
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 23 什么意见？ jym的真理装备是可以造就人的？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 同意他说的话呀。你有意见啊？
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 24 同意这句呀：
“真理与爱也不是分割，隔绝的。真理的实际就是神自己，真正被真理充满的
人也应该是充满爱的，因为神就是光，神就是爱。不然，字句的真理还是很难建造人的
~”
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 什么意见？ jym的真理装备是可以造就人的？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 25 你认为Jym2307是不是被真理充满了？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 同意这句呀：
: “真理与爱也不是分割，隔绝的。真理的实际就是神自己，真正被真理充满的
: 人也应该是充满爱的，因为神就是光，神就是爱。不然，字句的真理还是很难建造人的
: ~”
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 26 我觉得吧，他未必心中没有爱，不过表达方式欠缺了一点。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你认为Jym2307是不是被真理充满了？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 27 你觉得吧，宗教法庭审判异端的时候心里有没有爱？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧，他未必心中没有爱，不过表达方式欠缺了一点。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 28 你问我JYM我会试着回答你，应为多多少少看了些他的发言，有些了解。
你问我什么宗教法庭，我就回答不了你了，我一点都不了解。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你觉得吧，宗教法庭审判异端的时候心里有没有爱？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 29 那宗教法庭你听过没有？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 你问我JYM我会试着回答你，应为多多少少看了些他的发言，有些了解。
: 你问我什么宗教法庭，我就回答不了你了，我一点都不了解。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 30 我有没有跟你讲过，对有些东西一我点兴趣都没有，来这个版之前，我连教派都分不清
，当然，现在也还是分不清。
我灵命不高，人又懒，又觉得知不知道这些东西对和神亲近没有影响，就懒得关心了。
所以每次你问我这方面的问题，都会让你失望的。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那宗教法庭你听过没有？
| | | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 31 换句话说就是对你宗教中丑恶的东西埋头不见罢了，如果你的宗教对你来说是真理的话
，那么说你所追求的真理是片面的，合乎你自己心意的，应该不差吧？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 我有没有跟你讲过，对有些东西一我点兴趣都没有，来这个版之前，我连教派都分不清
: ，当然，现在也还是分不清。
: 我灵命不高，人又懒，又觉得知不知道这些东西对和神亲近没有影响，就懒得关心了。
: 所以每次你问我这方面的问题，都会让你失望的。
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 32 问题也是在于，当一个人是在宗教审判的情形里面，我们是靠着基督要让他从中走出来
，回到神爱子的国度里面呢？还是继续两边无休止的论战？
你判断他无爱，他判断你无理。哪怕找来各种道理，互相的评判是在只是基于自己而已
。字句知识道理实实在在是无用的，字句杀死人，唯有神的话，就是神的自己点活人。
我们需要的乃是神的生命。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你觉得吧，宗教法庭审判异端的时候心里有没有爱？
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 33 我信的是主耶稣（不是基督教），我跟从他亲近他享受他。至于人说的话做的事我是不
太关心的。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 换句话说就是对你宗教中丑恶的东西埋头不见罢了，如果你的宗教对你来说是真理的话
: ，那么说你所追求的真理是片面的，合乎你自己心意的，应该不差吧？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 34 那也是你的判断，就某种意义来说，和宗教审判没什么区别
另外神的生命不久活在你们这些互相判断的基里面么，非基们瞻仰很久了
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 问题也是在于，当一个人是在宗教审判的情形里面，我们是靠着基督要让他从中走出来
: ，回到神爱子的国度里面呢？还是继续两边无休止的论战？
: 你判断他无爱，他判断你无理。哪怕找来各种道理，互相的评判是在只是基于自己而已
: 。字句知识道理实实在在是无用的，字句杀死人，唯有神的话，就是神的自己点活人。
: 我们需要的乃是神的生命。
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 35 你们也都提过，有些基督徒做的比普通人还更差。虽然我们有神，但很多时候基督徒不
一定是活在主的光照中，很多时候都是自己做主，有时候找主，或者干脆都是完全行自
己的。背点经节上台论道，自己私下活自己属世属肉体的生活的基督徒也有很多。同样
这也是你之前看到基督徒审判别人，互相审判的情形的原因。因为人的天然，就是喜欢
觉得自己是对的，通过自己来评判别人。为什么呢？因为心思中向善的律胜不过肉体中
罪的律，凭着心思和肉体，哪怕懂点圣经的知识道理，活出来的往往只是撒旦的见证。
所以我们需要时时回到灵里，因为生命之灵的律胜过罪与死亡的律。神是光，而黑暗未
曾胜过光。我们不评判人，因为我们就是罪人，神的光不是照别人，这大光乃是照到我
们自己里面，看清楚人自己的罪，从而向神祷告，求神洁净我。当我们能时时在主里面
，时时在灵里，让主的生命在我们里面做主，掌权，才能在外面显出荣耀的实际。
愿主光照我们！
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那也是你的判断，就某种意义来说，和宗教审判没什么区别
: 另外神的生命不久活在你们这些互相判断的基里面么，非基们瞻仰很久了
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 36 那你回答一哈，摩门教徒是不是你的主内肢体？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 我信的是主耶稣（不是基督教），我跟从他亲近他享受他。至于人说的话做的事我是不
: 太关心的。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 37 帮你们结论一下，没有神的话世人（我觉得其实应该说的是你们这些自认有罪的心安理
得的罪人）的道德是丝毫没有的，心里都是罪恶，行出的都是不义，等等什么的
这就很奇怪，很多没有信仰的非基（完全是你们所说属世属肉体的那类）在没有神的情
况下，怎么可能会行出任何的善事呢？表现出极高的道德？心里的罪恶只怕比你们还要
少得多？
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们也都提过，有些基督徒做的比普通人还更差。虽然我们有神，但很多时候基督徒不
: 一定是活在主的光照中，很多时候都是自己做主，有时候找主，或者干脆都是完全行自
: 己的。背点经节上台论道，自己私下活自己属世属肉体的生活的基督徒也有很多。同样
: 这也是你之前看到基督徒审判别人，互相审判的情形的原因。因为人的天然，就是喜欢
: 觉得自己是对的，通过自己来评判别人。为什么呢？因为心思中向善的律胜不过肉体中
: 罪的律，凭着心思和肉体，哪怕懂点圣经的知识道理，活出来的往往只是撒旦的见证。
: 所以我们需要时时回到灵里，因为生命之灵的律胜过罪与死亡的律。神是光，而黑暗未
: 曾胜过光。我们不评判人，因为我们就是罪人，神的光不是照别人，这大光乃是照到我
: 们自己里面，看清楚人自己的罪，从而向神祷告，求神洁净我。当我们能时时在主里面
: ，时时在灵里，让主的生命在我们里面做主，掌权，才能在外面显出荣耀的实际。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 38 教派我不懂。我相信摩门教所讲的不在同一本圣经里。一方面是因为其他属灵长辈跟我
这么讲，另一方面是我因为读了几篇小麦贴的文章。
至于摩门的教徒，我不好判断，看他们各自心里信的是什么。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那你回答一哈，摩门教徒是不是你的主内肢体？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 39 没看懂，一面说教派你不懂，一面说摩门教和你的教派不一样，所以不在一本圣经里？
当然信耶稣就是救主咯，这么信的人和你是主内肢体么？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 教派我不懂。我相信摩门教所讲的不在同一本圣经里。一方面是因为其他属灵长辈跟我
: 这么讲，另一方面是我因为读了几篇小麦贴的文章。
: 至于摩门的教徒，我不好判断，看他们各自心里信的是什么。
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 40 这要说到人的三部分了。灵，魂，体
这是个大题目了，我觉得我的能力展开不了太多，就简单解释下。经节可能需要其他弟
兄帮忙补充支持。
帖前5:23 且愿和平的神，亲自全然圣别你们，又愿你们的灵、与魂、与身子得蒙保守
，在我们主耶稣基督来临的时候，得以完全，无可指摘。
灵是人里面与神接触的部分，在亚当堕落的时候，因着肉体的罪，灵的功用就死了。但
灵里良心的功能还或多或少的在，这就是为什么人借着良心，会有道德及善德行为。但
很多时候我们罪人的良心不敏锐，向善心思很多时候就败给属罪的肉体。得救的人灵开
始点活过来，神的生命分赐到人的灵里面。但并不代表得救的就是良心敏锐了。当一个
得救的基督徒，还是活在魂的心思情感里，往往胜不过肉体的罪与死。这就是保罗说的
：心思向善由得我，行出来由不得我。这就是为什么人们很多时候其实知道是错的，是
不好的，还是要去行。这也是我说的只是读字句道理的圣经，是无益的。神的话，就是
灵，就是生命。当我们能转回到灵里，让灵里神的生命做主的时候，就能胜过肉体的罪
，活出神的义。这样当我们的灵点活，让良心敏锐的时候，就是我们与主亲近的时候。
这也是为什么罪人更需要神，更需要神来更新变化。也愿我们都能时刻转向灵里，活在
主的面前。
当然我自己的属灵装备还不够，解释的不太合适的地方多包涵。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 帮你们结论一下，没有神的话世人（我觉得其实应该说的是你们这些自认有罪的心安理
: 得的罪人）的道德是丝毫没有的，心里都是罪恶，行出的都是不义，等等什么的
: 这就很奇怪，很多没有信仰的非基（完全是你们所说属世属肉体的那类）在没有神的情
: 况下，怎么可能会行出任何的善事呢？表现出极高的道德？心里的罪恶只怕比你们还要
: 少得多？
| | | b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 41 那我就再试着解释一下 :)
美国人看中国人和日本人,中国的东西和日本的东西都一个样, (我家小朋友有次带了个
绣花的香包去学校show and tell,结果老师非说是日本的,气愤). 我们看中国人看一下
聊一下就知道了,哪怕是少数民族的. 是我们对日本人有多了解吗? 不是,只是因为我们
是中国人.
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 没看懂，一面说教派你不懂，一面说摩门教和你的教派不一样，所以不在一本圣经里？
: 当然信耶稣就是救主咯，这么信的人和你是主内肢体么？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 42 你的意思是说，因为你是中国人，所以讲几句话你就能在不报家门的情况下完全的辨认
出来中国人？好大的自信
另外你是不是应该定义一下中国人？持中华人民共和国护照的人？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 那我就再试着解释一下 :)
: 美国人看中国人和日本人,中国的东西和日本的东西都一个样, (我家小朋友有次带了个
: 绣花的香包去学校show and tell,结果老师非说是日本的,气愤). 我们看中国人看一下
: 聊一下就知道了,哪怕是少数民族的. 是我们对日本人有多了解吗? 不是,只是因为我们
: 是中国人.
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 43 那你当基督徒前是不是无恶不思，做的基本都是些岔事，良心模糊不清，没什么道德底
线的？具体做过什么丧尽天良的事没有？没做过的话是因为什么？
而你信了之后有什么不同？
在 novazxy (Nova) 的大作中提到: 】 | r********7
发帖数: 887 | 44 说得太好了，阿门！严重支持这一观点
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 的确，jym弟兄现在被很多人口诛笔伐。
: 我认为尽管他专注对字句，对理论道理的钻研，相对属灵的实际有所不足，造成了一些
: ”法利赛“”经学家“的倾向，但他在真理的装备，在圣经的了解上是我们需要学习的
: ，他是我们的弟兄，加尔文的弟兄姐妹也是我们的弟兄姐妹，我们要彼此相爱。
: 帖撒罗尼迦前书
: 5:12 弟兄们，我们还请求你们，要敬重那些在你们中间劳苦，并在主里带领你们，
: 劝戒你们的人，
: 5:13 又因他们所作的工，在爱里格外尊重他们；你们也要彼此和睦。
: 5:14 弟兄们，我们劝你们，要劝戒不守规矩的人，抚慰灰心的人，扶持软弱的人，
: 又要对众人恒忍。
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 45 比起一般的美国人，我还是比较自信的 :)
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是说，因为你是中国人，所以讲几句话你就能在不报家门的情况下完全的辨认
: 出来中国人？好大的自信
: 另外你是不是应该定义一下中国人？持中华人民共和国护照的人？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 46 那你说说版面上有多少不是中国人的？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 比起一般的美国人，我还是比较自信的 :)
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 47 你把话题扯得太远了。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那你说说版面上有多少不是中国人的？
| r********7
发帖数: 887 | 48 嘿，你想知道宗教裁判所什么样吗？我告诉你好吗？
不吓你，就你现在这个样的哦。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那你说说版面上有多少不是中国人的？
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 49 不知道你为什么经常提到各种极端的例子和情形。
没做过所谓“丧尽天良”恶事是因为生活的经历，家庭的教导，以及人的良心。
我在人的三部分里面提到过。但是一个做”丧尽天良“恶事的人，做事之前很有可能外
面看来就是个大好人。
其实我信主之前自认为是个好人，觉得自己有些小缺点，但总归家庭朋友的评价都是蛮
正面的。但其实信主之后发现，自己其实真的很多小心思，为自己的罪找借口，在外人
面前表现的是个老好人，其实很多都是虚假虚伪的。两年前来到美国信主之后，有很多
内心的变化，具体也不多说了，不过无论生活还是学习，又或是爱情家庭的经历，我是
越来越感受到生活在主里面的平安与喜乐，也感谢神对我们全家的带领。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 那你当基督徒前是不是无恶不思，做的基本都是些岔事，良心模糊不清，没什么道德底
: 线的？具体做过什么丧尽天良的事没有？没做过的话是因为什么？
: 而你信了之后有什么不同？
: 在 novazxy (Nova) 的大作中提到: 】
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 50 真的阿，不是你这样子的？
【在 r********7 的大作中提到】
: 嘿，你想知道宗教裁判所什么样吗？我告诉你好吗？
: 不吓你，就你现在这个样的哦。
| | | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 51 扯远的是你吧，另外你不是很有自信么？
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: 你把话题扯得太远了。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 52 极端么？ 世人心里都是恶，做得都是恶啥啥的可都是你们提倡的，你真认为极端？
也就是说，＂生活的经历，家庭的教导，以及人的良心＂可以基本保证你做个好人？你
信了之后唯一改变的就是心里快活了？ 具体做人处事方面有没有啥和你没信之前的不
同处？还是照旧虚伪但同时快活着？
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 不知道你为什么经常提到各种极端的例子和情形。
: 没做过所谓“丧尽天良”恶事是因为生活的经历，家庭的教导，以及人的良心。
: 我在人的三部分里面提到过。但是一个做”丧尽天良“恶事的人，做事之前很有可能外
: 面看来就是个大好人。
: 其实我信主之前自认为是个好人，觉得自己有些小缺点，但总归家庭朋友的评价都是蛮
: 正面的。但其实信主之后发现，自己其实真的很多小心思，为自己的罪找借口，在外人
: 面前表现的是个老好人，其实很多都是虚假虚伪的。两年前来到美国信主之后，有很多
: 内心的变化，具体也不多说了，不过无论生活还是学习，又或是爱情家庭的经历，我是
: 越来越感受到生活在主里面的平安与喜乐，也感谢神对我们全家的带领。
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 53 “做得都是恶啥啥的可都是你们提倡的”
你在说什么啊？谁提倡啦？
还有为什么老用全局推测呢？都都都的。。。
看这种就和看jym的表述一样，都是先入为主的观念
以前的恶和想法我都不好意思拿出来说的（抱歉我没有办法在这里明说），现在至少很
多这些恶借着神的话像我显明，我也承认我的罪，我不愿被那些罪所控制，我愿意借着
神的生命，更多的活出义的实际。
或许在你心里还是可能觉得这只是虚伪，不过没办法，我也是愚笨的人，也没办法靠自
己的语言来说服人什么~
那你谈谈你是个好人吗？为什么是个好人？你觉得你想变的更好吗？怎么才能更好呢？
我指的人的心理和行为（你说的所谓善恶方面）很大程度是生活的经历，家庭的教导，
以及人的良心的结果。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 极端么？ 世人心里都是恶，做得都是恶啥啥的可都是你们提倡的，你真认为极端？
: 也就是说，＂生活的经历，家庭的教导，以及人的良心＂可以基本保证你做个好人？你
: 信了之后唯一改变的就是心里快活了？ 具体做人处事方面有没有啥和你没信之前的不
: 同处？还是照旧虚伪但同时快活着？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 54 因为断定罪名、不立刻施刑、所以世人满心作恶。
在日光之下所行的一切事上、有一件祸患、就是众人所遭遇的、都是一样．并且世人的
心、充满了恶．活着的时候心里狂妄、后来就归死人那里去了。
光来到世间、世人因自己的行为是恶的、不爱光倒爱黑暗、定他们的罪就是在此。
因为世人都犯了罪、亏缺了神的荣耀
你不同意？
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: “做得都是恶啥啥的可都是你们提倡的”
: 你在说什么啊？谁提倡啦？
: 还有为什么老用全局推测呢？都都都的。。。
: 看这种就和看jym的表述一样，都是先入为主的观念
: 以前的恶和想法我都不好意思拿出来说的（抱歉我没有办法在这里明说），现在至少很
: 多这些恶借着神的话像我显明，我也承认我的罪，我不愿被那些罪所控制，我愿意借着
: 神的生命，更多的活出义的实际。
: 或许在你心里还是可能觉得这只是虚伪，不过没办法，我也是愚笨的人，也没办法靠自
: 己的语言来说服人什么~
: 那你谈谈你是个好人吗？为什么是个好人？你觉得你想变的更好吗？怎么才能更好呢？
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 55 哦 原来你看不惯神说人是恶的~~~
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 因为断定罪名、不立刻施刑、所以世人满心作恶。
: 在日光之下所行的一切事上、有一件祸患、就是众人所遭遇的、都是一样．并且世人的
: 心、充满了恶．活着的时候心里狂妄、后来就归死人那里去了。
: 光来到世间、世人因自己的行为是恶的、不爱光倒爱黑暗、定他们的罪就是在此。
: 因为世人都犯了罪、亏缺了神的荣耀
: 你不同意？
| n*****y
发帖数: 94 | 56 那你谈谈你是个好人吗？为什么是个好人？你觉得你想变的更好吗？怎么才能更好呢？
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 因为断定罪名、不立刻施刑、所以世人满心作恶。
: 在日光之下所行的一切事上、有一件祸患、就是众人所遭遇的、都是一样．并且世人的
: 心、充满了恶．活着的时候心里狂妄、后来就归死人那里去了。
: 光来到世间、世人因自己的行为是恶的、不爱光倒爱黑暗、定他们的罪就是在此。
: 因为世人都犯了罪、亏缺了神的荣耀
: 你不同意？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 57 你说的好像你们不是这么认为的？
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 哦 原来你看不惯神说人是恶的~~~
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 58 。。。同学，好人坏人是别人评论的， 不待自己给自己下结论的，你同意不同意啊？
至于要如何做好人云云，老祖宗早就告诉你了，先看看中国启蒙教育教小朋友怎么做人的
总 叙
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谨
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信
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见人恶 即内省 有则改 无加警
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若衣服 若饮食 不如人 勿生戚
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闻誉恐 闻过欣 直谅士 渐相亲
无心非 名为错 有心非 名为恶
过能改 归于无 倘掩饰 增一辜
泛 爱 众
凡是人 皆须爱 天同覆 地同载
行高者 名自高 人所重 非貌高
才大者 望自大 人所服 非言大
己有能 勿自私 人所能 勿轻訾
勿谄富 勿骄贫 勿厌故 勿喜新
人不闲 勿事搅 人不安 勿话扰
人有短 切莫揭 人有私 切莫说
道人善 即是善 人知之 愈思勉
扬人恶 即是恶 疾之甚 祸且作
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凡取与 贵分晓 与宜多 取宜少
将加人 先问己 己不欲 即速已
恩欲报 怨欲忘 报怨短 报恩长
待婢仆 身贵端 虽贵端 慈而宽
势服人 心不然 理服人 方无言
亲 仁
同是人 类不齐 流俗众 仁者希
果仁者 人多畏 言不讳 色不媚
能亲仁 无限好 德日进 过日少
不亲仁 无限害 小人进 百事坏
余 力 学 文
不力行 但学文 长浮华 成何人
但力行 不学文 任己见 昧理真
读书法 有三到 心眼口 信皆要
方读此 勿慕彼 此未终 彼勿起
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心有疑 随札记 就人问 求确义
房室清 墙壁净 几案洁 笔砚正
墨磨偏 心不端 字不敬 心先病
列典籍 有定处 读看毕 还原处
虽有急 卷束齐 有缺坏 就补之
非圣书 屏勿视 蔽聪明 坏心志
勿自暴 勿自弃 圣与贤 可驯致
【在 n*****y 的大作中提到】
: 那你谈谈你是个好人吗？为什么是个好人？你觉得你想变的更好吗？怎么才能更好呢？
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