T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 Just happened I played enough hands so I gained card runner access again.
I decided to login and watch Damn Ringer Rush poker video player recommended.
The video is RUSH NL200 part 2.
For some reason, I am a little disapointed ( no offense to player)
I focused on couple big hands he played, because that is where I have most
intest in: big pot. Unfortunately he played those hands rather poorly and
got cleaned out all three hands.
1. KK in position against a semi tight player on a 2 7 8 board, Villian bet
on the flop and turn and he comments on his thinking process on how he rule
out the possibility opponents had set 8, or 7 and decided to go all-in,
unfortunately oppenents just had set 7s and stack a $400+ pot
2. TTs in position again aggro in sb, get three beted by sb, on Q, XX board,
smooth call C-bet, turn a 9, smooth call again, and comment on how he
advised his student not to raise at this spot because there is a lot of
values by smooth calling. Fine, I am ok with that too. Problem is a river K
come up and villian bet big, he correctly point out this is a polirized
range that villian either bluff or nuts. But in the end he paid the guy off
and the guy showed TJ for nut str.
I have no doubt he is a great player and have great result, but I gained
nothing by watching this video. Perhaps I am not same type of players like
to take a huge risk by calling down opponents bet with second pair in a huge
pot. To me, there is not a good risk/reward ratio in a full ring cash game.
There are too many better spots that has far big value with far less risk.
I am not totally against high reward high risk playing style, just feel it
is unneccessory. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 don't remember hand 1. but I remember hand 2 vividly. One of the most
interesting hand in the video. It is the thinking process that can help you.
What villian has does not matter. Don't be result oriented. You can take a
lot of things from this hand from both DR and villian's perspective.
And i think you remember the hand wrong as well. actually button flat preflop and raise flop with Q high board then DR
check/call down 2 more street. If you think through what he was trying to tell you, you will not remember the hand
wrong. ^_^ | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3
recommended.
bet
rule
I agree. he is just a very mediocre player. played way too lose (19/14) c bet too
much. that is why he is a middle/low stake coach. :)
I do not like how he played he hand at all. but what helps me a lot
from his vid is how to use stat to adjust my play , which I did not use
enough before. Like if villian has very high cbet percentage on flop, low
turn cbet percentage, you can call the flop and see what he does on the turn
.
Just played a hand with him, his vid helps me a lot to adjust my
play since he second barrel a lot. : ) I will fold on the turn to many tight
players. And I folded my AA to one raise since I think he is raising with
a set there. Be careful when you make vid, do not give too much away. :)
***** Hand History for Game 29676238851 ***** (Full Tilt)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 06, 10:07:17 2011
Table Electro (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $914.35 USD )
Seat 2: TLILEF ( $741.55 USD )
Seat 3: Tiky Taka ( $186.30 USD )
Seat 4: Ramonaldo ( $408.00 USD )
Seat 5: fufish2 ( $199.40 USD )
Seat 6: igric ( $400.00 USD )
Seat 7: 33giorgi ( $154.00 USD )
Seat 8: Damn Ringer ( $469.80 USD )
Seat 9: awesometoschi ( $159.50 USD )
fufish2 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
igric posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jd Jh ]
33giorgi folds
Damn Ringer raises [$14.00 USD]
awesometoschi folds
Hero calls [$14.00 USD]
TLILEF folds
Tiky Taka folds
Ramonaldo folds
fufish2 folds
igric folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 7h, 5d ]
Damn Ringer bets [$24.00 USD]
Hero calls [$24.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
Damn Ringer bets [$52.00 USD]
Hero calls [$52.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Damn Ringer checks
Hero checks
Damn Ringer shows [Qs, Ah ]
Hero shows [Jd, Jh ]
Hero wins $183.00 USD from main pot
***** Hand History for Game 29677105818 ***** (Full Tilt)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 06, 10:42:05 2011
Table Electro (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: GiveUntoCaesar ( $400.00 USD )
Seat 2: megax82 ( $360.30 USD )
Seat 3: speedas ( $523.20 USD )
Seat 4: bryce234 ( $245.55 USD )
Seat 5: Damn Ringer ( $410.00 USD )
Seat 6: Levi83 ( $607.00 USD )
Seat 7: gus840 ( $109.30 USD )
Seat 8: Hero ( $591.90 USD )
Seat 9: NokseMojo ( $132.00 USD )
Levi83 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
gus840 posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As Ad ]
Hero raises [$12.00 USD]
NokseMojo folds
GiveUntoCaesar folds
megax82 folds
speedas folds
bryce234 folds
Damn Ringer calls [$12.00 USD]
Levi83 folds
gus840 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 3s, 6c ]
Hero bets [$22.00 USD]
Damn Ringer raises [$56.00 USD]
Hero folds
Damn Ringer wins $34.00 USD
Damn Ringer wins $71.00 USD from main pot
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Just happened I played enough hands so I gained card runner access again.
: I decided to login and watch Damn Ringer Rush poker video player recommended.
: The video is RUSH NL200 part 2.
: For some reason, I am a little disapointed ( no offense to player)
: I focused on couple big hands he played, because that is where I have most
: intest in: big pot. Unfortunately he played those hands rather poorly and
: got cleaned out all three hands.
: 1. KK in position against a semi tight player on a 2 7 8 board, Villian bet
: on the flop and turn and he comments on his thinking process on how he rule
: out the possibility opponents had set 8, or 7 and decided to go all-in,
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 I am not against deep thinking in poker playing. What I try to say is I am
against "think too much" in small/micro stake poker. And that is this hand
trying to tell us.
I remember couple month ago I watched another training video, it talked
about 13 most scary leaks in small stake, one of them was "try to use level
5 thinking on level 3 playing field" (can't remember exact word, but sth
like that). Try to calling down TTs in a big pot is one of those things,
especially the opponent is a semi-tight player. Unless he has exceptional
read on the player and know this player will use river card to bluff a lot,
the river call was just a horrible decision. It is a typical high risk and
low reward move on NL100 and NL200 level, and he didn't even get the right
odds to call.
How many times we see hands post in this forum with comments like "WTF he do
that?" or "WTF is he thinking". Well, I am pretty sure, other than some
drunk or little kid acting like monkey in front of monitor, most of them are
trying to "out muscle" you, or "out thinking" you or "out creative than"
you. That is why. And most of time they are getting burned.
I can totally understand deep thinking in higher stake, the player pool are
smaller, edge are smaller, and if you try to win money, you have to create
actions and do a lot of creative things. But for micro / small stake poker,
No.1 is you have volumns, No.2 is you make correct decision in a big pot, No
.3 tilt control, No. 4 bankroll management. Trying to doing this 4 things
right, you can make money if not most of the money. Frankly, how to improve
on those 4 topics is already too much a homework for most ppl. That is my
point.
you.
a
preflop and raise flop with Q high board then DR
tell you, you will not remember the hand
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: don't remember hand 1. but I remember hand 2 vividly. One of the most
: interesting hand in the video. It is the thinking process that can help you.
: What villian has does not matter. Don't be result oriented. You can take a
: lot of things from this hand from both DR and villian's perspective.
: And i think you remember the hand wrong as well. actually button flat preflop and raise flop with Q high board then DR
: check/call down 2 more street. If you think through what he was trying to tell you, you will not remember the hand
: wrong. ^_^
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 5 that video "13 scariest leaks" is made by super nit verneer
but I like his style and try to adopt his style.
level
,
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I am not against deep thinking in poker playing. What I try to say is I am
: against "think too much" in small/micro stake poker. And that is this hand
: trying to tell us.
: I remember couple month ago I watched another training video, it talked
: about 13 most scary leaks in small stake, one of them was "try to use level
: 5 thinking on level 3 playing field" (can't remember exact word, but sth
: like that). Try to calling down TTs in a big pot is one of those things,
: especially the opponent is a semi-tight player. Unless he has exceptional
: read on the player and know this player will use river card to bluff a lot,
: the river call was just a horrible decision. It is a typical high risk and
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 damn ringer >> Verneer.
no argument. | M********g
发帖数: 717 | 7 Could not understand the second hand.
Hero raise UTG, and no others called. Villain chose to flat call at button.
I guess he decided to play in position with hero and make a move later. The
flop is all low cards.
I am wondering why hero Cbet and quickly fold to a not big raise. Villain
naturally put hero at two high cards(more possible) or a pair since hero is
UTG. He can easily have 1 pair + str8t draw. I do not think he has a set
here. Two pair? possible. 88-1010? This raise could be a test raise and get
a free card when check-check at turn.
I think I will not cbet at this spot to keep the pot small. And if cbet,
will call this size of raise.
Is there a special reading/understanding of his game for this spot after you
watched his video?
bet too
lot
turn
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
:
: recommended.
: bet
: rule
: I agree. he is just a very mediocre player. played way too lose (19/14) c bet too
: much. that is why he is a middle/low stake coach. :)
: I do not like how he played he hand at all. but what helps me a lot
: from his vid is how to use stat to adjust my play , which I did not use
: enough before. Like if villian has very high cbet percentage on flop, low
: turn cbet percentage, you can call the flop and see what he does on the turn
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 this kind of play is very situational and player dependant. Based on my
history with villian, he knows my UTG range is super tight(AQs+, 77+), and I
am not cbeting on that board much. Also, he would just call with pair with
str draw or (88-qq) based on my past hand history and his vid. It seems to
me that min raise is to induce a shove.
There is also risk/reward issue. I only have one over pair and my
hand is so hard to improve. I do NOT know what I want to see on turn and
river. Even I got bluffed , I only lost a small pot other than risking my
whole stack. If we are both 200BB deep, I prefer check/call on the flop and
reevaluate on the turn.
Again, this is very opp/situation depentant. I would day I would
reraise/shove a majority of time.
BTW, you work for Bloomberg? I know lots of poker player are trading
stock/option now.
.
The
is
get
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Could not understand the second hand.
: Hero raise UTG, and no others called. Villain chose to flat call at button.
: I guess he decided to play in position with hero and make a move later. The
: flop is all low cards.
: I am wondering why hero Cbet and quickly fold to a not big raise. Villain
: naturally put hero at two high cards(more possible) or a pair since hero is
: UTG. He can easily have 1 pair + str8t draw. I do not think he has a set
: here. Two pair? possible. 88-1010? This raise could be a test raise and get
: a free card when check-check at turn.
: I think I will not cbet at this spot to keep the pot small. And if cbet,
| M********g
发帖数: 717 | 9 Yes, if he knows your opening range is this tight UTG, his raise could be
shove inducing.
This is an old MJ i used at political boards. I happened to agree with
Bloomberg's political opinions a lot and thought he was the best
presidential material in 2008. Of course he did not have a single chance
back then.
Playing poker gave me a more structural/balanced way of understanding
trading.
I
with
and
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: this kind of play is very situational and player dependant. Based on my
: history with villian, he knows my UTG range is super tight(AQs+, 77+), and I
: am not cbeting on that board much. Also, he would just call with pair with
: str draw or (88-qq) based on my past hand history and his vid. It seems to
: me that min raise is to induce a shove.
:
: There is also risk/reward issue. I only have one over pair and my
: hand is so hard to improve. I do NOT know what I want to see on turn and
: river. Even I got bluffed , I only lost a small pot other than risking my
: whole stack. If we are both 200BB deep, I prefer check/call on the flop and
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 so you are a full time trader? I went to a blackjack meeting hosted by
Stanford Wong a while ago and met a full time bond trader. He said Bond
trading has some similiar principle with adantage gambling.
yeah. I know the company Bill Chen work for(SIG) has very strong poker
culture. They believe that "poker teaches lessons on risk taking that are
applicable to trading in financial markets."
maybe time to start to learn trading. ;) I know the poker pro Kristy
Gazes is semi retired from poker and doing option trading business.
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, if he knows your opening range is this tight UTG, his raise could be
: shove inducing.
: This is an old MJ i used at political boards. I happened to agree with
: Bloomberg's political opinions a lot and thought he was the best
: presidential material in 2008. Of course he did not have a single chance
: back then.
: Playing poker gave me a more structural/balanced way of understanding
: trading.
:
: I
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