b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 1 请问running forehand有什么窍门？是那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。假设对方已经上网，一般来说cross court
基本上是送死，必须打出on the run DTL的dipping shot。这种球的步伐，准备，拍面
和随挥有什么窍门吗？
btw, 我的那个刚升4.5的球友这种球打得非常好，好像他拍子基本上在前面没有什么大
的backswing, 他说就是一个flip wrist的动作。但YouTube上的一些教程说准备必时候
须举高拍子，等等。我自己试打几次，如果要用reverse forehand follow through,
DTL的球不是飞了，就是打中拍框。好像如果我要打dipping DTL， follow through 在
上臂附近也可以。
另外步伐上，是不是最后右脚跨一大步时backswing, 然后左脚cross over的时候同时
挥拍？ |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 2 没什么特别的窍门。。。 你指的：
"那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。"
唯一能说的就是keep your wrist really loose and keep your eye tracking the
ball... 什么dtl, reversal forehand... 可以说都是浮云。 真要被逼到“不是鱼死
就是网破的情况”的情况下， 你根本没机会打cross court, 如果能打cc, 对手又上网
， 那你该能打 cc topspin lob... 这种情况下基本就是靠手腕flick 或 slap一下。
。。 至于reverse forehand， 其实你已经被拉开了， you are reaching out to hit
the ball, 手臂的力很难用上， 所以只有放松顺着这个手腕的flick自然就是reverse
forehand了。 我打 reverse
fh 都不是 "intentional"的。 这和豆子的reverse forehand 不一样， 很多wsn想
copy， 但只是个型而已。
我觉得没特别必要想太多这个。 build up 你 FH 的 fundamentals (drop feeds)，
到时候your body will take over. 多focus on, how not to get yourself in that
situation. :) |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 Obviously lob ah.
court
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 请问running forehand有什么窍门？是那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
: 对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。假设对方已经上网，一般来说cross court
: 基本上是送死，必须打出on the run DTL的dipping shot。这种球的步伐，准备，拍面
: 和随挥有什么窍门吗？
: btw, 我的那个刚升4.5的球友这种球打得非常好，好像他拍子基本上在前面没有什么大
: 的backswing, 他说就是一个flip wrist的动作。但YouTube上的一些教程说准备必时候
: 须举高拍子，等等。我自己试打几次，如果要用reverse forehand follow through,
: DTL的球不是飞了，就是打中拍框。好像如果我要打dipping DTL， follow through 在
: 上臂附近也可以。
: 另外步伐上，是不是最后右脚跨一大步时backswing, 然后左脚cross over的时候同时
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 4 嗯，i know two 4.5 guys, one would hit a very good defensive lob, another
will hit a very good oppensive running forehand. Both options are good.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Obviously lob ah.
:
: court
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 5 Outdoor always lob. It's always harder to hit overhead than volley.
Applies to 90% wsn.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，i know two 4.5 guys, one would hit a very good defensive lob, another
: will hit a very good oppensive running forehand. Both options are good.
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 6 My 4.5 friend's running forehand is more like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TsWDQBbrY&feature=youtu.be
hit
reverse
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 没什么特别的窍门。。。 你指的：
: "那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
: 对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。"
: 唯一能说的就是keep your wrist really loose and keep your eye tracking the
: ball... 什么dtl, reversal forehand... 可以说都是浮云。 真要被逼到“不是鱼死
: 就是网破的情况”的情况下， 你根本没机会打cross court, 如果能打cc, 对手又上网
: ， 那你该能打 cc topspin lob... 这种情况下基本就是靠手腕flick 或 slap一下。
: 。。 至于reverse forehand， 其实你已经被拉开了， you are reaching out to hit
: the ball, 手臂的力很难用上， 所以只有放松顺着这个手腕的flick自然就是reverse
: forehand了。 我打 reverse
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 7 both have the same forehand grip when they hit their shots?
when you get stretched up like that and running at full speed... I'm not
sure how good of a lob can you hit with a semi western grip... a good lob
might be actually harder than dtl fh in this situation... at least I think
that's the case for me.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，i know two 4.5 guys, one would hit a very good defensive lob, another
: will hit a very good oppensive running forehand. Both options are good.
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 8 running forehand的步法跟开放式正手没什么区别，只是少了稳定重心这一步．
reverse forehand是因为没有时间转体充分发力，所以靠手腕把球刷起来．你如果平时
就会打reverse forehand，那跑动中也应该没问题．
reverse forehand因为上旋强，所以适合打过往急坠的穿越球．
court
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 请问running forehand有什么窍门？是那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
: 对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。假设对方已经上网，一般来说cross court
: 基本上是送死，必须打出on the run DTL的dipping shot。这种球的步伐，准备，拍面
: 和随挥有什么窍门吗？
: btw, 我的那个刚升4.5的球友这种球打得非常好，好像他拍子基本上在前面没有什么大
: 的backswing, 他说就是一个flip wrist的动作。但YouTube上的一些教程说准备必时候
: 须举高拍子，等等。我自己试打几次，如果要用reverse forehand follow through,
: DTL的球不是飞了，就是打中拍框。好像如果我要打dipping DTL， follow through 在
: 上臂附近也可以。
: 另外步伐上，是不是最后右脚跨一大步时backswing, 然后左脚cross over的时候同时
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 在那种情况下lob总是更high%的shot. lob的作用是neutralize, 避免鱼死网破。
当然没有lob深就基本死了，所以思路就是宁可又高又慢也不能浅，给对手的message
就是"偶这个lob就没指望得分，不过你也别想得分。"
等级越高lob越少，是因为选手overhead越来越好。但是在wsn级别，overhead好的
太少，所以lob是很cost effective的选择。
当然indoor就免谈了。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: both have the same forehand grip when they hit their shots?
: when you get stretched up like that and running at full speed... I'm not
: sure how good of a lob can you hit with a semi western grip... a good lob
: might be actually harder than dtl fh in this situation... at least I think
: that's the case for me.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 10 not sure if we are talking about the same situation. When you get extended
out like that, I really don't think you can hit a proper lob with a player's
racquet, the only 2 choices are a squash shot or flick wrist dtl.... a
extended out block "lob" will be end up with an easy volley put away, most
likely it won't even be an overhead... I guess that still count as a choice
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 在那种情况下lob总是更high%的shot. lob的作用是neutralize, 避免鱼死网破。
: 当然没有lob深就基本死了，所以思路就是宁可又高又慢也不能浅，给对手的message
: 就是"偶这个lob就没指望得分，不过你也别想得分。"
: 等级越高lob越少，是因为选手overhead越来越好。但是在wsn级别，overhead好的
: 太少，所以lob是很cost effective的选择。
: 当然indoor就免谈了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 Why not? As long as you can touch the ball, you can lob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt5lr9SS7o
If it's wide eough that you can even lob, you probably can't pass either...
extended
's
choice
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: not sure if we are talking about the same situation. When you get extended
: out like that, I really don't think you can hit a proper lob with a player's
: racquet, the only 2 choices are a squash shot or flick wrist dtl.... a
: extended out block "lob" will be end up with an easy volley put away, most
: likely it won't even be an overhead... I guess that still count as a choice
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 12 lol nice play... That's like a squash shot lob.... only problem is I don't
have magic hands. By all means, if you think that's easier, then you should
do it.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Why not? As long as you can touch the ball, you can lob.
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt5lr9SS7o
: If it's wide eough that you can even lob, you probably can't pass either...
:
: extended
: 's
: choice
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 13 I often end up playing like this against 3.0/3.5's -- 3 to 5 overheads in
a row.
Against 4.0, usually just 1-2 lobs, then I am winner'ed. Again, I suspect
this is due to level differnce, not that lob doesn't work against 4.0's.
I even won a lob point against a 4.5 -- he UE'ed (facing the sun. I was
intentional considering this).
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Why not? As long as you can touch the ball, you can lob.
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt5lr9SS7o
: If it's wide eough that you can even lob, you probably can't pass either...
:
: extended
: 's
: choice
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 14 I think it should be called "chip lob". :) We should all process this shot.
Whether we can lob deep enough is another story. But as long as it's really
high, it's a little tricky to do overhead.
t
should
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: lol nice play... That's like a squash shot lob.... only problem is I don't
: have magic hands. By all means, if you think that's easier, then you should
: do it.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 I really feel there is no technique involved. Just blindly hit to the sky.
If you have a reasonably powered racket, it will likely land inside.
Most opponent chooses to let the ball bounce than hit overhead -- and
it's already too deep to kill me. Some choose to hit in the air and results
in either very soft smash or 50-50 UE chance.
The above doesn't work against 老油条 who hit soft overhead with angles.
They are so happy to see my lobs.
t
should
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: lol nice play... That's like a squash shot lob.... only problem is I don't
: have magic hands. By all means, if you think that's easier, then you should
: do it.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 16 yea, it's definitely a good shot to have if you can do it well. With all the
stuff you have to work on, question is how should you allocate your time.
.
really
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I think it should be called "chip lob". :) We should all process this shot.
: Whether we can lob deep enough is another story. But as long as it's really
: high, it's a little tricky to do overhead.
:
: t
: should
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 17 yea, you are right, often it depends on your opponent, the wind, the sun etc
..... if you are good at doing it, that's good for you. You should keep at
it.
results
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I really feel there is no technique involved. Just blindly hit to the sky.
: If you have a reasonably powered racket, it will likely land inside.
: Most opponent chooses to let the ball bounce than hit overhead -- and
: it's already too deep to kill me. Some choose to hit in the air and results
: in either very soft smash or 50-50 UE chance.
: The above doesn't work against 老油条 who hit soft overhead with angles.
: They are so happy to see my lobs.
:
: t
: should
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 18 It's a shot about feel. I usually do it 4, 5 times in the match warmup when
opponent requested to hit overhead. :)
In the match, if I have time, I prefer topspin lob though.
the
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: yea, it's definitely a good shot to have if you can do it well. With all the
: stuff you have to work on, question is how should you allocate your time.
:
: .
: really
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 19 sure, but I never tried that while running full speed and get stretched...
maybe I should try that next time... remember to change grip might be an
issue....
when
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: It's a shot about feel. I usually do it 4, 5 times in the match warmup when
: opponent requested to hit overhead. :)
: In the match, if I have time, I prefer topspin lob though.
:
: the
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 20 I think a semi-western forehand grip should be ok to execute this kind of
chip lob, although continental grip can do it too.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: sure, but I never tried that while running full speed and get stretched...
: maybe I should try that next time... remember to change grip might be an
: issue....
:
: when
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 21 continental grip would be a lot easier for me... semi-western grip is not
natural for me to do it while on the run full speed and reaching out... i
would really have to purposely open up the racquet face for it, and there
really not much leverage neither.
My bottom line is do whatever your body naturally would do in those
situations....
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I think a semi-western forehand grip should be ok to execute this kind of
: chip lob, although continental grip can do it too.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 Maybe that's why many opponents refused to lob me even though overhead is
my absolute worst shot.
If I am drawn to the net, all I think is "OMG, he's gonna lob me, what do
I do". Then the opponent UE'ed into the net...
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: continental grip would be a lot easier for me... semi-western grip is not
: natural for me to do it while on the run full speed and reaching out... i
: would really have to purposely open up the racquet face for it, and there
: really not much leverage neither.
: My bottom line is do whatever your body naturally would do in those
: situations....
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m**U
发帖数: 968 | 23 我喜欢打这种球，经常比我原地打正手都好。我猜是因为跑动中自然就盯紧球， 原地
正手我总心猿意马的到处看。
court
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 请问running forehand有什么窍门？是那种正手位一下子被人pull得非常wide的情况，
: 对方已经上网，不是鱼死就是网破的情况。假设对方已经上网，一般来说cross court
: 基本上是送死，必须打出on the run DTL的dipping shot。这种球的步伐，准备，拍面
: 和随挥有什么窍门吗？
: btw, 我的那个刚升4.5的球友这种球打得非常好，好像他拍子基本上在前面没有什么大
: 的backswing, 他说就是一个flip wrist的动作。但YouTube上的一些教程说准备必时候
: 须举高拍子，等等。我自己试打几次，如果要用reverse forehand follow through,
: DTL的球不是飞了，就是打中拍框。好像如果我要打dipping DTL， follow through 在
: 上臂附近也可以。
: 另外步伐上，是不是最后右脚跨一大步时backswing, 然后左脚cross over的时候同时
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T*U
发帖数: 22634 | 24 When you can make a good lob, it will open another option.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，i know two 4.5 guys, one would hit a very good defensive lob, another
: will hit a very good oppensive running forehand. Both options are good.
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 25 虽然我会正手slice, 但如果对手上网的话，正手slice对付4.0+基本上是送死。 |
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 26 奔一个吧
【在 m**U 的大作中提到】
: 我喜欢打这种球，经常比我原地打正手都好。我猜是因为跑动中自然就盯紧球， 原地
: 正手我总心猿意马的到处看。
:
: court
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