f*********t
发帖数: 271 | 1 工科的Ph.D., 一直想找Quant的工作，无奈现在实力还不够，学校牌子也不够硬，只暂
时找到了两个developer的职位，想先干着，再骑驴找马。想请教一下大家，以下两个
职位哪个将来跳槽到top IB更容易呢？
1. 某欧洲中型投行的IT，做credit trading，据hiring manager说会直接work with
traders，没有training，直接上手工作。
2. Bloomberg的financial software developer，具体进哪个组要等training结束才知
道，所以有一定的不定因素。
待遇来说第一个比第二个base salary多百分之十几，bonus的话就不好说了，我猜投行
的bonus会相对来说比Bloomberg多一些？也有可能效益不怎么样bonus很少，不太了解。
我知道有两个朋友都是直接从Bloomberg跳去了GS做quant，是不是bb出来的人比较受
top IB的欢迎？但是base salary太低将来跳槽时谈工资也会吃点亏？
还是先去第一个投行的IT，先入了行接触一些实际的再说？但是会不会因为不是有名的
投行所以将 |
z****u
发帖数: 185 | |
f*********t
发帖数: 271 | |
f*********t
发帖数: 271 | 4 sigh，那么多人看，就没人具体给点建议，这个版太冷漠了。。。 |
H********k
发帖数: 3950 | 5 你连去投行还是bloomberg都搞不清楚
这就。。。很难回答的。
回答的人不知道会面临什么。
善良的人们不知道该怎么做。
【在 f*********t 的大作中提到】
: sigh，那么多人看，就没人具体给点建议，这个版太冷漠了。。。
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f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 6 how much is the offer? ballpark?
解。
【在 f*********t 的大作中提到】
: 工科的Ph.D., 一直想找Quant的工作，无奈现在实力还不够，学校牌子也不够硬，只暂
: 时找到了两个developer的职位，想先干着，再骑驴找马。想请教一下大家，以下两个
: 职位哪个将来跳槽到top IB更容易呢？
: 1. 某欧洲中型投行的IT，做credit trading，据hiring manager说会直接work with
: traders，没有training，直接上手工作。
: 2. Bloomberg的financial software developer，具体进哪个组要等training结束才知
: 道，所以有一定的不定因素。
: 待遇来说第一个比第二个base salary多百分之十几，bonus的话就不好说了，我猜投行
: 的bonus会相对来说比Bloomberg多一些？也有可能效益不怎么样bonus很少，不太了解。
: 我知道有两个朋友都是直接从Bloomberg跳去了GS做quant，是不是bb出来的人比较受
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A****s
发帖数: 112 | 7 IB 看起来比bloomberg要好太多了. 在bloomberg做developer 有很大可能没什么意思
的.
【在 f*********t 的大作中提到】
: sigh，那么多人看，就没人具体给点建议，这个版太冷漠了。。。
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n****e
发帖数: 2401 | 8 bb出来的人比较受top IB的欢迎
google出来的人比较受top IB的欢迎
microsoft出来的人比较受top IB的欢迎
IB出来的人更受top IB的欢迎
top IB出来的人更更更更更更受top IB的欢迎 |
b******u
发帖数: 162 | 9 if you still cannot decide, simple rule : go with the firm with tougher
interview and higher bar. |
t**********a
发帖数: 166 | 10 That can be misleading - tougher IT interview question doesn't mean better
job.
【在 b******u 的大作中提到】
: if you still cannot decide, simple rule : go with the firm with tougher
: interview and higher bar.
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 11 又不是你们自己家开的公司，帮谁打工不是打？值得这么鸡鸡歪歪半个月的吗？太猥琐
了。 |
b***k
发帖数: 2673 | 12 半个月？lz的什么信息让你得出这样的结论。
而且即使半个月也没啥吧，决定一份工作很可能影响一辈子的职业生涯。
我觉得这毫无ws可言，倒是你的发言有点mean了。
【在 k*****a 的大作中提到】
: 又不是你们自己家开的公司，帮谁打工不是打？值得这么鸡鸡歪歪半个月的吗？太猥琐
: 了。
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h**b
发帖数: 406 | |
b******b
发帖数: 713 | 14 I had worked for BB and IB before. You should go IB, BB is not that useful
for your career if you want to work in financial industry late.
解。
【在 f*********t 的大作中提到】
: 工科的Ph.D., 一直想找Quant的工作，无奈现在实力还不够，学校牌子也不够硬，只暂
: 时找到了两个developer的职位，想先干着，再骑驴找马。想请教一下大家，以下两个
: 职位哪个将来跳槽到top IB更容易呢？
: 1. 某欧洲中型投行的IT，做credit trading，据hiring manager说会直接work with
: traders，没有training，直接上手工作。
: 2. Bloomberg的financial software developer，具体进哪个组要等training结束才知
: 道，所以有一定的不定因素。
: 待遇来说第一个比第二个base salary多百分之十几，bonus的话就不好说了，我猜投行
: 的bonus会相对来说比Bloomberg多一些？也有可能效益不怎么样bonus很少，不太了解。
: 我知道有两个朋友都是直接从Bloomberg跳去了GS做quant，是不是bb出来的人比较受
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 15 Even if you go from BB to GS, you are still condemned to do programmer's job
, whatever you are called.
The best thing to take care of your career is to have a clean record and not
to have your job history contaminated by programming work. |
s****n
发帖数: 1237 | 16 惊见BS老大
【在 b******b 的大作中提到】
: I had worked for BB and IB before. You should go IB, BB is not that useful
: for your career if you want to work in financial industry late.
:
: 解。
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 17 I think this is BS.
Financial industry needs more and more computer programmers. And more and mo
re people with CS background are having great success. And if you are a prog
rammer and you want to change to a non-programmer job, it is rarely a proble
m.
job
not
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: Even if you go from BB to GS, you are still condemned to do programmer's job
: , whatever you are called.
: The best thing to take care of your career is to have a clean record and not
: to have your job history contaminated by programming work.
|
t**********a
发帖数: 166 | 18 Indeed. The tougher regulation and smaller profit margin push IBs are
following GS's business model in quant - they get a core team of developers
to develop a whole trading system, and they are paid very well.
mo
prog
proble
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: I think this is BS.
: Financial industry needs more and more computer programmers. And more and mo
: re people with CS background are having great success. And if you are a prog
: rammer and you want to change to a non-programmer job, it is rarely a proble
: m.
:
: job
: not
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N*9
发帖数: 2829 | 19 大波波娃，这里也有你的靓影
【在 H********k 的大作中提到】
: 你连去投行还是bloomberg都搞不清楚
: 这就。。。很难回答的。
: 回答的人不知道会面临什么。
: 善良的人们不知道该怎么做。
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f*********t
发帖数: 271 | 20 谢谢大家中肯的建议！
楼上那位说我猥琐的同学，我才刚拿到offer没几天，不知道是什么原因让你觉得我唧
唧歪歪半个月，不过希望你能体谅一个fresh graduate对职业的一些茫然和希望得到一
些指点的心情，谢谢 |
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p*****y
发帖数: 529 | 21 Just curious how well they are paid?
200K, 300K, 400K or 500K or 1MM?
developers
【在 t**********a 的大作中提到】
: Indeed. The tougher regulation and smaller profit margin push IBs are
: following GS's business model in quant - they get a core team of developers
: to develop a whole trading system, and they are paid very well.
:
: mo
: prog
: proble
|
k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 22 不是说楼主猥琐，而是说一大群老大不小的男人天天聚集在这个板上洪长青指路，唾沫
横飞，长年累月东家长西家短地帮人评论该去哪个公司打工。屁大的事整得象捡了一个
鸡蛋的家当似的，还振振有词。这种现象令人觉得很猥琐，大概外Ｆ女们说的中国男人
没自信就是从这些事例拿借口的。。。。。。 |
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 23
goldman and morgan stanley "core quant" is just an euphemism for programmer.
I would say very few core quant VPs make more than 500K.
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】
: Just curious how well they are paid?
: 200K, 300K, 400K or 500K or 1MM?
:
: developers
|
t**********a
发帖数: 166 | 24 to me, 500k VP is already exceptional for desk quant.
Plus "core quant" MDs can make 1-2MM, which I doubt whether desk quant MDs
can make it. |
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 25
again, core strat does not mean core quant, most core strats are doing IT
work, like developing spreadsheet program to substitute excel. Maybe there
are one or two star rocket scientist quants in core strat team, but
otherwise "core strat" is just a name to fulfill IT worker's vanity.
on the other hand, core strat career is more stable, which means less upside
and not so easy to be made MD, whereas a star trader can be MD very quickly
. Of course when you are at MD level, the money can't be bad
【在 t**********a 的大作中提到】
: to me, 500k VP is already exceptional for desk quant.
: Plus "core quant" MDs can make 1-2MM, which I doubt whether desk quant MDs
: can make it.
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j******l
发帖数: 22 | 26 the percentage of desk quants who earn more than 500K a year is higher than
those of traders. There are tons of VP traders in IB who make less than 500K
a year. I don't understand why everybody here only looks at the star
traders
.
MDs
upside
quickly
than
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: again, core strat does not mean core quant, most core strats are doing IT
: work, like developing spreadsheet program to substitute excel. Maybe there
: are one or two star rocket scientist quants in core strat team, but
: otherwise "core strat" is just a name to fulfill IT worker's vanity.
: on the other hand, core strat career is more stable, which means less upside
: and not so easy to be made MD, whereas a star trader can be MD very quickly
: . Of course when you are at MD level, the money can't be bad
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t********a
发帖数: 810 | 27 life is short. its better to have the opportunity to make millions a rather
than to make a stable 500K a year.
Life is just short.
than
500K
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: the percentage of desk quants who earn more than 500K a year is higher than
: those of traders. There are tons of VP traders in IB who make less than 500K
: a year. I don't understand why everybody here only looks at the star
: traders
: .
:
: MDs
: upside
: quickly
: than
|
j******l
发帖数: 22 | 28 dude,if you think this way, buy lottery then, why bother even working?
you will have the opportunity to make hundreds of millions every other month
, just buy the damn power ball.
rather
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: life is short. its better to have the opportunity to make millions a rather
: than to make a stable 500K a year.
: Life is just short.
:
: than
: 500K
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 29 the probability is small though.
month
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: dude,if you think this way, buy lottery then, why bother even working?
: you will have the opportunity to make hundreds of millions every other month
: , just buy the damn power ball.
:
: rather
|
a***r
发帖数: 594 | 30 I agree "the percentage of desk quants who earn more than 500K a year is
higher than those of traders", but that needs to include analyst traders,
which is a lot more than analyst quants.
but same level, anal,ass,vp,md, trading/sales make more than quants, hands
down. it is not atypical for VP level traders to make >1MM a year, but that
is hard for quant VPs.
than
500K
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: the percentage of desk quants who earn more than 500K a year is higher than
: those of traders. There are tons of VP traders in IB who make less than 500K
: a year. I don't understand why everybody here only looks at the star
: traders
: .
:
: MDs
: upside
: quickly
: than
|
