o*******k
发帖数: 562 | 1 评价非常高。
We should start with my recent review of the Sigma DP2 Merrill (DP2M). If
you haven't already done so may I suggest that you read it it now before
proceeding on this page? You should know that if anything my praise for that
camera is actually understated. The DP2M may have the highest per-pixel
usable picture resolution of any camera I have ever used and tested. No,
this is not Michael being hyperbolic. In recent weeks I, along with a couple
of other well known photographers who also bought their own DP2M (or have
been borrowing mine) have been doing comparisons with other gear in their
arsenals. In every case they (we) come away shaking our heads and vowing not
to publish what we see, because all it will do is stir up the trolls, and
create undesirable online nonsense arguments. Who needs the grief?
So, as preface to this report on the brand new Sigma DP1 Merrill (DP1M), I'
ll simply make one summary statement. It is my opinion that the Sigma DP2M,
for its part, provides the highest image resolution of any camera / lens
combination than costs less than a $2,000 – $3,000 dollars, and it
seriously challenges the IQ of cameras like the Nikon D800e and even medium
format backs in prints up to about 20X30". Part of the reason for this is
that the 30mm f/2.8 lens on the DP2 is simply superb. Not only is it a
remarkably sharp and aberration free lens, but it appears to be married to
the DP2M's sensor in a manner that means that the two work as a synergistic
pair, producing frame after frame that please and amaze.
No, the DP2M is not perfect. It's deathly slow to write files to cards,
though pretty responsive otherwise. The rear LCD looks like it's doing a
hula dance when the camera is moved, but overall the shooting interface is
fine. But, and it's a big but, this is not a camera for dilettantes. This is
a camera for the photographer who is willing to work for the shot, use
proper technique, shoot raw, and suffer with having to use Sigma's oh-so sad
SPP software before moving on to proper image processing programs.
Sigma DP1 Merrill
Foliage. Toronto, September, 2012
Sigma DP1M @ ISO 200
The DP1M is an identical camera to the DP2M, with the only significant
difference being its 19mm f/2.8 lens (28mm equivalent). What everyone wants
to know is, is the 19mm lens as astonishingly good as its sister 30mm on the
DP2M. If it isn't then back to the dealer it would go, because to my mind
it's the unique combination of the 30mm and Sigma's X3 sensor that gives the
DP2M its magic. Unless the 19mm delivers to a comparable level on the DP1M
it may not provide the two camera combination that I think could shake up a
lot of photographers attitudes on how to travel small and light and with
versatility, while not compromising image quality.
After a week or shooting with the DP1M here is what I see. Basically, the
lens is the only difference between the models 1 and 2. It's very sharp in
the center 2/3 rds of the frame, but less so at the wide edges, and somewhat
soft wide-open in the corners. The corners sharpen up nicely by f/8. There'
s some vignetting and some chromatic aberration in the extreme corners.
Nothing that can't be fixed in Lightroom though in about 10 seconds.
Remember, this is a 19mm lens (28mm eqiv). As such it is no different that
other high quality wide primes. I don't know any lens in this focal range
that is without these issues, including those from Leica and Zeiss. Top
quality wide angle primes are simply hard to design and make.
The problem though is that the sensor is of such high accutance that even a
really good lens is challenged. A lessor sensor would be less revealing.
The DP2M on the other hand is an exception. The lens is simply superb, and
beautifully matched to the sensor. That camera is going to be a classic, and
unless one is looking for what's likely unattainable WA lens excellence the
DP1M will join it as well. Together than are a killer combo.
Recovering from the Fiasco
One of the biggest problems that Sigma has with their cameras is
reestablishing credibility. The SD1 pricing fiasco last year left a very
bitter taste in many mouths.
I was reminded of this just the other day when I was chatting with a small
independent dealer who does good business selling Sigma lenses. He asked me
what I was testing and using these days, and I replied the Sigma DP2M and
DP1M, and I told him how impressed I was.
He just shook his head and said that he was so angry with Sigma that he
wouldn't consider carrying these cameras. Apparently when the SD1 was
introduced Sigma's reps put a full court press on dealers to get them to
carry the camera. This was back when it was to retail for some $8,000. The
dealer said that he very reluctantly agreed to stock one, not wanting to
piss off a major supplier. But, the camera sat on the shelf month after
month after month, and eventually was (in his words) "given away" for well
below cost, simply to clear it off the shelf and out of inventory. The idea
now of taking another Sigma camera didn't leave a very good taste in his
mouth, he said.
A Face in The Trees. Toronto, September, 2012
Sigma DP1M @ ISO 200
Who is It For?
Make no mistake. As I've written, like its sister the DP2M this is not a
camera for dilettantes. But, if you are willing to forgive (or at least
accept) its foibles (crap battery life, slow file writes, annoying raw
software) you will be rewarded with some of the most amazing image quality
short of medium format or sheet film.
This has been brought home to me as I've worked with both cameras for a
number of weeks. For the first time in a long time, I find myself shooting
subjects simply for the pleasure of seeing what they will look like in
prints. This is the type of photographic satisfaction one gets from 4X5"
film on large prints, or a medium format back with a high resolution sensor.
The only real difference is that in this case instead of requiring film,
darkroom time or lab costs, or the high entry cost of MF digital, a sub $1,
000 camera + lens combination can deliver a similar result in appropriate
circumstances. The only real technical limitation is that the DP1M and DP2M
are limited in print size to what one would get from a 24-28MP camera; let's
call it about an 20X30" print. At any print size smaller, assuming the use
of ISO 100 or 200 and high enough shutter speed or a tripod, I would
challenge a gallery print comparison with just about any other camera lens
combination, and yes, I'm including a Nikon D800e with top glass or a Leica
M9.
Last Corn Standing. September, 2012. Clearview, Ontario.
Sigma DP1M @ ISO 200
100% Crop
The Competition
As I see it there are two competitive cameras to the Sigma DP1M and DP2M.
These are the Leica X2 and the recently announced but not yet shipping Sony
RX1. The Leica has a 16MP APS-C sized sensor while the Sony has a 24
Megapixel full frame sensor. The Leica lens is an f/2.8 35mm focal length
equivalent while the Sony has an f/2 35mm lens. Both camera do have AA
filters.
I have used the leica X2, though not reviewed it here. Operationally it is a
much superior camera to the Sigmas, but not when it comes to resolution and
over-all image quality. Both Sigma's trump it in this regard, big-time.
Also, at USD $2,000 for the X2 one could buy both the DP1 and the DP2 for
the same amount of money and have greater lens diversity as well as a backup
camera.
The Sony RX1 is, of course, a complete unknown at this time, in terms of its
handling, operation and especially image quality. But at $2,800 it had
better be quite spectacular, because that's an awful lot of money for a
fixed lens camera, regardless of its capabilities.
Living with the DPM1 and DPM2
I can live with the poor battery life. I can live with the slow write times.
I can live with the wobbly image on the rear LCD. The image quality makes
those travails worth accepting. What I can't live with is the horrendously
annoying Sigma Photo Pro software. This is sub-par, under featured,
underpowered, slow and buggy. But at the moment, it's the only game in town,
because Sigma isn't working with third party raw software companies to make
support possible.
I have therefore written the following open letter to Sigma's CEO. I don't
know what effect it might have, but with 1.4 Million monthly readers on this
page, maybe, just maybe..... |
d******n
发帖数: 3014 | 2 缩完图画质看不出比rx100好的地方。
that
couple
not
【在 o*******k 的大作中提到】
: 评价非常高。
: We should start with my recent review of the Sigma DP2 Merrill (DP2M). If
: you haven't already done so may I suggest that you read it it now before
: proceeding on this page? You should know that if anything my praise for that
: camera is actually understated. The DP2M may have the highest per-pixel
: usable picture resolution of any camera I have ever used and tested. No,
: this is not Michael being hyperbolic. In recent weeks I, along with a couple
: of other well known photographers who also bought their own DP2M (or have
: been borrowing mine) have been doing comparisons with other gear in their
: arsenals. In every case they (we) come away shaking our heads and vowing not
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d*****0
发帖数: 68029 | 3 这个是cult机。
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 缩完图画质看不出比rx100好的地方。
:
: that
: couple
: not
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 4 来，找两张你觉得能体现RX100画质的片子pk一下
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 缩完图画质看不出比rx100好的地方。
:
: that
: couple
: not
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b*********n
发帖数: 5846 | 5 你又不买适马还轮成这样。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 来，找两张你觉得能体现RX100画质的片子pk一下
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 6 涡轮我自豪
【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: 你又不买适马还轮成这样。
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d******n
发帖数: 3014 | 7 你这个光线好,估计有后期
你看看这个,
和dc其实差不多
http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1067786-1-1-1.html
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 来，找两张你觉得能体现RX100画质的片子pk一下
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 8 你也可以找你觉得rx100光线好，有后期的片子啊
我拿D800E也能拍出比这个还烂的片子，你信不
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 你这个光线好,估计有后期
: 你看看这个,
: 和dc其实差不多
: http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1067786-1-1-1.html
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 9 不信
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 你也可以找你觉得rx100光线好，有后期的片子啊
: 我拿D800E也能拍出比这个还烂的片子，你信不
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 10 你这个坏人。。。破坏我的梗
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 不信
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b*********n
发帖数: 5846 | 11 等你上D800E烂片。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 你也可以找你觉得rx100光线好，有后期的片子啊
: 我拿D800E也能拍出比这个还烂的片子，你信不
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d*****0
发帖数: 68029 | 12 下次让茄子给你搞个盲选好了。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 你也可以找你觉得rx100光线好，有后期的片子啊
: 我拿D800E也能拍出比这个还烂的片子，你信不
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 13 摄影受对象和光线影响太大了，所以盲选没有意义，不然为啥大家还做对比呢
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 下次让茄子给你搞个盲选好了。
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g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 14 所以呀，你拿事妈轮拍的出来摆擂台不行啊。事妈轮本来就高手多。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 摄影受对象和光线影响太大了，所以盲选没有意义，不然为啥大家还做对比呢
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h*******g
发帖数: 10585 | 15 高手都用死马本身就说明了问题
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 所以呀，你拿事妈轮拍的出来摆擂台不行啊。事妈轮本来就高手多。
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 16 上面有人说看缩图跟RX100一样，我就贴两张看起来不一样的出来，然后又说是水平，
是后期。那以后还比什么器材啊，干脆说所有的差别都是水平，后期造成的好了。
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 所以呀，你拿事妈轮拍的出来摆擂台不行啊。事妈轮本来就高手多。
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 17 我相信你作为一个大师最自己的严格要求。。。。哈哈
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 你这个坏人。。。破坏我的梗
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 18 其实X3出来的色彩有那么一点怪，也有可能是大家看CMOS看太多习惯了。不过要讲色彩
，RX100差的实在是太远太远了
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 我相信你作为一个大师最自己的严格要求。。。。哈哈
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g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 19 我说事妈里面高手多，不代表高手都事妈。
只有少数事妈高手才事妈。猪大师这种没事妈还天天臆淫事妈的属于事妈里的事妈。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 高手都用死马本身就说明了问题
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m********l
发帖数: 6748 | 20 猪大师说得好，RX100确实除了轻巧，就不要奢谈画质了。 |
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 21 偷不如偷不着
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 我说事妈里面高手多，不代表高手都事妈。
: 只有少数事妈高手才事妈。猪大师这种没事妈还天天臆淫事妈的属于事妈里的事妈。
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t*****r
发帖数: 2542 | 22 你跟大师学坏了
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 偷不如偷不着
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 23 抢我的话...
所以最好别到手，一直吊着，像捷克那样...
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 偷不如偷不着
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v***a
发帖数: 23651 | 24 谁抢你？
妈妈们吗
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: 抢我的话...
: 所以最好别到手，一直吊着，像捷克那样...
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 25 抢我要说的 话....
【在 v***a 的大作中提到】
: 谁抢你？
: 妈妈们吗
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g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 26 哈哈。我也理解成抢亲地主了。还想呢：从来只有地主抢别人家闺女，啥时候轮到地主
被抢了？
【在 v***a 的大作中提到】
: 谁抢你？
: 妈妈们吗
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 27 你们都啥思想呀...
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈。我也理解成抢亲地主了。还想呢：从来只有地主抢别人家闺女，啥时候轮到地主
: 被抢了？
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g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 28 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
不动筷子，自虐。
【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你跟大师学坏了
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 29 要的就是这个干胶...
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
: 能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
: 不动筷子，自虐。
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v***a
发帖数: 23651 | 30 都是fat 还是饱和的
不动
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
: 能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
: 不动筷子，自虐。
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x***k
发帖数: 20754 | 31 。。。。。。
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
: 能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
: 不动筷子，自虐。
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t*****r
发帖数: 2542 | 32 到大师那个层次不容易
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
: 能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
: 不动筷子，自虐。
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 33 上不上DP2M，本质上是要不要包二奶的问题
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 叉大师想的是啥。。。猪大师想的这个低了不知道多少个档次。
: 能用钱买到的，而且是能用竹大师零花钱买到的。这就好比是放着红烧肉在眼前，硬是
: 不动筷子，自虐。
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x***k
发帖数: 20754 | 34 。。。。。。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 上不上DP2M，本质上是要不要包二奶的问题
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d*********6
发帖数: 1972 | 35 口水流一地
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 来，找两张你觉得能体现RX100画质的片子pk一下
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q*z
发帖数: 13362 | 36 这机和rx1相比,价钱差不多.我相信选rx1的多
that
couple
not
【在 o*******k 的大作中提到】
: 评价非常高。
: We should start with my recent review of the Sigma DP2 Merrill (DP2M). If
: you haven't already done so may I suggest that you read it it now before
: proceeding on this page? You should know that if anything my praise for that
: camera is actually understated. The DP2M may have the highest per-pixel
: usable picture resolution of any camera I have ever used and tested. No,
: this is not Michael being hyperbolic. In recent weeks I, along with a couple
: of other well known photographers who also bought their own DP2M (or have
: been borrowing mine) have been doing comparisons with other gear in their
: arsenals. In every case they (we) come away shaking our heads and vowing not
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t*****r
发帖数: 2542 | 37 1k跟2k8差不多？
【在 q*z 的大作中提到】
: 这机和rx1相比,价钱差不多.我相信选rx1的多
:
: that
: couple
: not
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 38 一块钱和两块八对我们来说也没啥区别啊，所以别人说1k和2.8k差不多也是这个道理
【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 1k跟2k8差不多？
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t*****r
发帖数: 2542 | 39 那还有什么器材不差不多的？
50noct? S2?
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 一块钱和两块八对我们来说也没啥区别啊，所以别人说1k和2.8k差不多也是这个道理
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 40 区别在于人啊
【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 那还有什么器材不差不多的？
: 50noct? S2?
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o*******k
发帖数: 562 | |
s******g
发帖数: 15854 | |
o*******k
发帖数: 562 | 43 如果大家都看缩图，都没啥优势。看大图嘛。可以下载到当地硬盘看。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 这两张完全体现不出X3的优势啊
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 44 如果就是锐，X3技术真的没啥意义了
【在 o*******k 的大作中提到】
: 如果大家都看缩图，都没啥优势。看大图嘛。可以下载到当地硬盘看。
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d******n
发帖数: 3014 | 45 只有缩图惊艳的片子才值得放大。
缩图没优势的话，就不值得了
【在 o*******k 的大作中提到】
: 如果大家都看缩图，都没啥优势。看大图嘛。可以下载到当地硬盘看。
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o*******k
发帖数: 562 | 46 iphone 4s 的挺惊艳的。
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 只有缩图惊艳的片子才值得放大。
: 缩图没优势的话，就不值得了
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 47 这种片子才是能真正体现X3优势的
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 只有缩图惊艳的片子才值得放大。
: 缩图没优势的话，就不值得了
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t*****r
发帖数: 2542 | 48 这个红色挺正，有绿色，蓝色的片子么?
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 这种片子才是能真正体现X3优势的
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 49 适合拍跳大秧歌的。。。。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 这种片子才是能真正体现X3优势的
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d******n
发帖数: 3014 | 50 这图不值得放大阿。
买个msk处理下缩这么小也差不多。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 这种片子才是能真正体现X3优势的
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 51 这个跟放大缩小没有半毛钱关系。这个色彩还原超过所有135全副
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 这图不值得放大阿。
: 买个msk处理下缩这么小也差不多。
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 52 你又轮了，x3也就红色而已。。。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 这个跟放大缩小没有半毛钱关系。这个色彩还原超过所有135全副
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 53 CMOS的蓝绿已经足够正了，X3的看不出大区别
【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个红色挺正，有绿色，蓝色的片子么?
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 54 一招鲜，吃遍天啊，你小邮票CMOS还不是干瞪眼
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 你又轮了，x3也就红色而已。。。
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 55 话就不要说这么满么
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 一招鲜，吃遍天啊，你小邮票CMOS还不是干瞪眼
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 56 也对。其实这个X3和CMOS技术上导致的差别对最终片子成像风格的影响轻松就能被摄影
对象和光线的环境的差别所淹没。这一点和胶片有鲜明对比，胶片作为介质和数码的不
同很难被对象和光线的差别所掩盖。从这个意义上来说，X3的确是只对那些对色彩有着
丰富理解和高超控制能力的高手才有意义，对普通用户的意义就在于个100%傻锐
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 话就不要说这么满么
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b****r
发帖数: 17995 | 57 啥时候适马机能把高感差不多赶上，那可能真要kick ass了 |
w**********e
发帖数: 2063 | 58 是的
颜色真心还是很好的
【在 b****r 的大作中提到】
: 啥时候适马机能把高感差不多赶上，那可能真要kick ass了
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t*******e
发帖数: 2921 | |
x5
发帖数: 27871 | 60 你们又去挠猪大师的心。。。。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 马上秋天了 去拍点红叶啥的 估计X3会很惊艳
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i***f
发帖数: 10682 | 61 估计猪大师拿5d2拍出来，回来PS冒充，没人看的出来。
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 你们又去挠猪大师的心。。。。
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 62 那也难说，X3的红色还是很牛的
【在 i***f 的大作中提到】
: 估计猪大师拿5d2拍出来，回来PS冒充，没人看的出来。
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i***f
发帖数: 10682 | 63 不是有个胖子会后期颜色匹配吗?
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 那也难说，X3的红色还是很牛的
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x5
发帖数: 27871 | 64 锐度，层次，细节。。。。。 －猪八卦
【在 i***f 的大作中提到】
: 不是有个胖子会后期颜色匹配吗?
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 65 hoho,我有SWC。。。
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 锐度，层次，细节。。。。。 －猪八卦
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s******g
发帖数: 15854 | 66 40mm的焦段拍风景很坑爹，只能用来扫街，扫街用红色干个屁呢
要上也上DP1M
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 那也难说，X3的红色还是很牛的
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