w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Medicine 讨论区 】
发信人: whiteclouds (/ 参考消息 /), 信区: Medicine
标 题: 1980 年前美国儿童只要求打五针疫苗.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 22 02:11:44 2010, 美东)
... 那时候自闭症很少.
2009年: 五岁前打36针
2010年: 六岁前打55针
这个趋势很疯狂嘛! | y****i
发帖数: 12114 | | l*****r
发帖数: 7130 | 3 这个针是啥意思啊？一种疫苗打几次算一针还是n针，几种病合一个疫苗算一针还是n针？
这是我查到的history，不知道你怎么算出这个5，36和55的。
http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
【在 w*********s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Medicine 讨论区 】
: 发信人: whiteclouds (/ 参考消息 /), 信区: Medicine
: 标 题: 1980 年前美国儿童只要求打五针疫苗.
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Nov 22 02:11:44 2010, 美东)
: ... 那时候自闭症很少.
: 2009年: 五岁前打36针
: 2010年: 六岁前打55针
: 这个趋势很疯狂嘛!
| q********c
发帖数: 1774 | 4 这个whitecloud很疯狂嘛!我家儿子生在这里,快5岁了,顶多打了十针,周围的小孩从没
听说打五十多针的.不知你的数据从那里来的.不懂的话先做做研究. | y****i
发帖数: 12114 | 5 这个白云也算是著名id了。好像定期要发帖反对疫苗。
他/她的根本问题不是数据问题，是逻辑没学好。
用他/她的逻辑，我可以这么说：
1980年只有数千个中国人能到美国留学，那时候自闭症的孩子很少，
2009年有数万个中国人能到美国留学，自闭症的孩子就有很多，
所以，到美国留学的中国人的人数增长导致自闭症孩子的人数增长。 | b*****a
发帖数: 14583 | 6 你居然还跟他纠缠
道长自娱自乐一下就算了
针？
schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个针是啥意思啊？一种疫苗打几次算一针还是n针，几种病合一个疫苗算一针还是n针？
: 这是我查到的history，不知道你怎么算出这个5，36和55的。
: http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
| w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 7 http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf
合打的应该分开算.
【在 q********c 的大作中提到】
: 这个whitecloud很疯狂嘛!我家儿子生在这里,快5岁了,顶多打了十针,周围的小孩从没
: 听说打五十多针的.不知你的数据从那里来的.不懂的话先做做研究.
| n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 8 是啊，你何必理他呢。他自己的孩子，靠着周围的孩子都打了疫苗，不打疫苗，然后到
处宣传疫苗无用论。他要是真觉得疫苗没有用，全家搬到非洲去，还挺着不打，我就信
他。要不，就是瞎扯。
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你居然还跟他纠缠
: 道长自娱自乐一下就算了
:
: 针？
: schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
| k******e
发帖数: 8870 | 9 建议新版版上来后把以前众多ID反驳他的那个thread挂起来。省得道长三天两头辛苦的
转文。 | w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 10
Unvaccinated children healthier: Quotes
[The real reason behind the drive for high vaccination levels is to make
sure there are no groups of healthy unvaccinated kids around to show up
vaccination. Dan Olmsted exposed that with the Amish, also Mayer Eisenstein
of Homefirst Medical Services.]
"The reason vaccinations are promoted with such intensity is to prevent
people from realising that vaccines do not protect and also in the event of
an outbreak or an epidemic the vaccinated are as much at risk of becoming
infected as the unvaccinated. The truth can be kept hidden if people's
vaccination status remains unknown and if everyone is vaccinated, making a
comparison with unvaccinated people impossible. This is also the real
reason for the relentless push to vaccinate as many children as possible."--
Dr Buchwald (The Decline of Tuberculosis despite "Protective" Vaccination
by Dr. Gerhard Buchwald M.D. p101)
See: Dan Olmsted Vaccine autism quotes Main reason for high vaccination
drive
[2010 June] The Marvellous Health of Unvaccinated Children by Françoise
Berthoud, MD [medical doctor, paediatrician] As a concerned, compassionate
and considerate paediatrician, I can only arrive at one conclusion.
Unvaccinated children have by far the best chance of enjoying marvellous
health. Any vaccination at all works to cripple the chances of this end.
Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
[May 2005 Germany] Who is healthier, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?!
Unvaccinated Children are Healthier by Sue Claridge [pdf]
Studies
Salzburger Elternstudie (Survey of / by parents) (2001-2005) Results:
Unvaccinated children -- virtually no asthma; vaccinated 1 in 10; and three
to five times less Neurodermatis.......Englische Kohortenstudie (1988 - 1999
) Results: Vaccinated children are up to 14 times more likely to have
asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine times more like to have skin
problems. ......Langzeitstudie in Guinea-Bissau: Results The death rate
for unvaccinated children is about half that of the vaccinated. .....
Schwedische Studie an Waldorfschulen: Results Unvaccinated kids have a lower
risk of allergies..[May 2005 Germany] Who is healthier, the vaccinated or
the unvaccinated?! http://www.impf-portal.de/aktuell/fragebo/fraboaus10.doc
Englische Kohortenstudie (1988 - 1999) Results: Vaccinated children are up
to 14 times more likely to have asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine
times more like to have skin problems. http://www.impf-report.de/jahrgang/2005/02.htm#06 Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
Langzeitstudie in Guinea-Bissau
Results
The death rate for unvaccinated children is about half that of the
vaccinated. [Ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich mit geimpften Kindern ein
um die Hälfte geringeres Sterberisiko] http://www.ratio2000.de/gesundheit/news/news0104.htm Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
Schwedische Studie an Waldorfschulen
Results
Unvaccinated kids have a lower risk of allergies...[Ungeimpfte Kinder haben
im Vergleich zu geimpften Kindern ein geringeres Allergierisiko]. http://www.waldorflibrary.org/journal_articles/rb5103.pdf Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
WHO-Feldversuch (field trials) in Indien (1968 - 1971)
Results
Unvaccinated kids are much less likely to get sick. On the basis of this
study, stopped recommending the tuberculosis vaccination. Vaccinated vs
unvaccinated
Neuseeländische Umfrage (survey) (1992)
Unvaccinated kids are five times less likely to have asthma than the
vaccinated, 2.5 times less likely to have skin problems and 8 times less
likely to be hyperactive. http://www.ias.org.nz/prelim_survey_results.htm
Quotes
"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family
practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish
for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find
the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and
that's just the way it is."
In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-
vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois'
relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr.
Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-
vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice,"
Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've
taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of
autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have
enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see
it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child
with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't
touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss."
Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to
families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of
Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap
into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled,
" said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in
them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this
group." http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r
"I observed that my unvaccinated children were healthier, hardier and more
robust than their vaccinated peers. Allergies, asthma and pallor and
behavioral and attentional disturbances were clearly more common in my young
patients who were vaccinated. My unvaccinated patients, on the other hand,
did not suffer from infectious diseases with any greater frequency or
severity than their vaccinated peers: their immune systems generally handled
these challenges very well."--Incao's Hepatitis B Vaccination Testimony
"The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of the
AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become learning
disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with children
who were never vaccinated. Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman & ASTM
Member March 2002
Studies re using completely unvaccinated children as controls:
"P.Aaby et al, Pediat Infec DisJ 8:197-200,1989---By comparing groups of
children with apparently different vaccination status, this study suggests
that measles vaccination reduces mortality by 30%. However, their
comparisons in this study would lead one to have serious misgivings about
their conclusions. The group used as a "non-vaccinated" group were in fact
vaccinated between certain dates. They were found to have undetectable
levels of antibody and therefore it was assumed that the vaccine did not
work, hence this was used as a ‘control’ non-vaccinated group. Most of a
second group of 123 individuals, vaccinated at another time were found to
have responded and were therefore used as the vaccinated group. However 15
of this vaccinated group did not seroconvert and they were excluded from the
results! Three of these children died!"---Trevor Gunn BSc
"It is a pretty bad habit of vaccine researchers to give several vaccines
simultaneously where the effect of only one of them has to be studied and
evaluated. Obviously this leads to confounding results..........for
evaluation of side-effects in most studies was restricted to 48 to 72 hours.
Needless to say that many serious adverse effects show up long after that
time span; by definition they could never be mentioned in those studies.
Nevertheless most of these studies pretend to prove the safety of the
vaccine."--Kris Gaublomme MD
" One of the flaws in studies of vaccines is that there are no true placebo
groups. The vaccine is tested in one group of immunized children and is
compared to another group of immunized children."--Peter Baratosy
"Another point which I document in my presentation... is that there is
little or no objective research into the possible adverse effects of
vaccines. There has never been a study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated
children. The only explanation for this is bias and political pressure."--
Philip Incao MD
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，你何必理他呢。他自己的孩子，靠着周围的孩子都打了疫苗，不打疫苗，然后到
: 处宣传疫苗无用论。他要是真觉得疫苗没有用，全家搬到非洲去，还挺着不打，我就信
: 他。要不，就是瞎扯。
| l*****r
发帖数: 7130 | 11 70年代要打这些病的：
Diphtheria*
Tetanus* Pertussis*
Polio (OPV) Measles**
Mumps** Rubella**
每种病还有加强针，怎么5针搞定的？
【在 w*********s 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf
: 合打的应该分开算.
| c****6
发帖数: 1550 | 12 你别逗了，去医院定期体检吗？
我大儿子也5岁了，打了超过20针。
老二，刚六个月体检时一下打了四针。
【在 q********c 的大作中提到】
: 这个whitecloud很疯狂嘛!我家儿子生在这里,快5岁了,顶多打了十针,周围的小孩从没
: 听说打五十多针的.不知你的数据从那里来的.不懂的话先做做研究.
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