i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 1 决战最高法院， 请投庄严一票，来捍卫你孩子公平竞争入学名校的机会
请置顶，请在以下网页签名表示支持“FOR"，并请帮忙转发！
http://admin.80-20nj.info/cgi/80/e?l=8/11e/f&w=no | i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | | m*******y
发帖数: 14292 | | m*******y
发帖数: 14292 | | T********e
发帖数: 8631 | 5 Does this have anything to do with affirmative action? | i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 6 当然是 FOR
【在 m*******y 的大作中提到】
: 最好直接说一下选 for 还是 against
| Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | | i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 8 管它呢。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 谁能总结一下，这个80 20是什么意思？
| c********e
发帖数: 6158 | 9 强！
【在 i**********o 的大作中提到】
: 管它呢。
| Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 10 。。。。
都不知道说什么怎么vote responsibly?
【在 i**********o 的大作中提到】
: 管它呢。
| | | j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 11 i am against. african descendants usually have it tougher than asian kids.
let's take the following example:
1) a black kid, in a single mother home, live in the hood, most of ppl in ur
hood do drugs or prostitution. u go to a really crappy school with really
bad teachers and dummy curriculum. and yet, u fight against odds, and get a
740 on ur SAT
2) an asian kid, in ur traditional two parents home, live in a nice white
neighorhood, safe, no crime, hardly see a yellow tape. u go to a really
nice school with low student to teacher ratio, great curriculum, ur parents
spend pile of money on ur education, ur constantly look after ur homework.
and in the end, u get a 800 on ur SAT
I would take the black kid over the asian kid any time of the day. | j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 12 while this maybe true in many cases, it certainly doesn't apply to all.
My ex-boss was a black person from Chicago. His family is wealthy and he
attended Phillips Academy, Dartmouth College, and then MBA from U of Chicago
.
There are many Asian kids whose parents work in restaurants and sweatshops
with very lower pay, 3-generations of the family cramped in a small 1
bedroom flat.
The college admission should really be decided on family income and social/
economic background, instead of race.
.
ur
really
a
parents
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: i am against. african descendants usually have it tougher than asian kids.
: let's take the following example:
: 1) a black kid, in a single mother home, live in the hood, most of ppl in ur
: hood do drugs or prostitution. u go to a really crappy school with really
: bad teachers and dummy curriculum. and yet, u fight against odds, and get a
: 740 on ur SAT
: 2) an asian kid, in ur traditional two parents home, live in a nice white
: neighorhood, safe, no crime, hardly see a yellow tape. u go to a really
: nice school with low student to teacher ratio, great curriculum, ur parents
: spend pile of money on ur education, ur constantly look after ur homework.
| d*****9
发帖数: 3459 | 13 how about white kids?
sub white in the place of asian,which ones would u pick?
.
ur
really
a
parents
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: i am against. african descendants usually have it tougher than asian kids.
: let's take the following example:
: 1) a black kid, in a single mother home, live in the hood, most of ppl in ur
: hood do drugs or prostitution. u go to a really crappy school with really
: bad teachers and dummy curriculum. and yet, u fight against odds, and get a
: 740 on ur SAT
: 2) an asian kid, in ur traditional two parents home, live in a nice white
: neighorhood, safe, no crime, hardly see a yellow tape. u go to a really
: nice school with low student to teacher ratio, great curriculum, ur parents
: spend pile of money on ur education, ur constantly look after ur homework.
| j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 14 that's a one to million shot... the building i work in has like 30 some
floors, and all the black men stops at 12th floor, where the mail/building
maintenance are./..
Chicago
【在 j***k 的大作中提到】
: while this maybe true in many cases, it certainly doesn't apply to all.
: My ex-boss was a black person from Chicago. His family is wealthy and he
: attended Phillips Academy, Dartmouth College, and then MBA from U of Chicago
: .
: There are many Asian kids whose parents work in restaurants and sweatshops
: with very lower pay, 3-generations of the family cramped in a small 1
: bedroom flat.
: The college admission should really be decided on family income and social/
: economic background, instead of race.
:
| c********e
发帖数: 6158 | 15 牛肉，同意你的大部分观点，但在这个问题上 你忽略了还有很多中国人（比如我在梅
西做清洁，panda在餐馆洗盘子）都没有很高的收入。所以以种族划分，有点儿太sharp
了。
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: that's a one to million shot... the building i work in has like 30 some
: floors, and all the black men stops at 12th floor, where the mail/building
: maintenance are./..
:
: Chicago
| j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 16 what's worse, poor financial WSN pretending to have money, or real rich ppl
like u 2 pretending to be poor and give poor ppl a bad name?
sharp
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: 牛肉，同意你的大部分观点，但在这个问题上 你忽略了还有很多中国人（比如我在梅
: 西做清洁，panda在餐馆洗盘子）都没有很高的收入。所以以种族划分，有点儿太sharp
: 了。
| j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 17 that is certainly NOT one in a million..
just look at Chinatown and the ppl who work there.
and then look at those Black government workers, MTA bus drivers, union
workers.. i would say they make a lot more then your average chinatown dish
washer.
why should black kids from those families be treated better than chinese
kids from Chinatown?
like i said, the admission should be decided on family economical and social
backgrounds instead of races.
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: that's a one to million shot... the building i work in has like 30 some
: floors, and all the black men stops at 12th floor, where the mail/building
: maintenance are./..
:
: Chicago
| j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 18 but the thing is chinese parents are willing to spend time and money on
their kids, even if they are just dishwashers in chinatown. because
education is engrained in chinese parents head
black parents, uneducated, they just dont care about kids education,
compared to chinese parents. so when the kids grow up and become a parents,
they dont care about their kids education either. it's a bad cycle that
need to break from outside. u let a black kid go to a good college, he/she
will understand the importance of education, then he/she will pass it down
to their next generation
dish
social
【在 j***k 的大作中提到】
: that is certainly NOT one in a million..
: just look at Chinatown and the ppl who work there.
: and then look at those Black government workers, MTA bus drivers, union
: workers.. i would say they make a lot more then your average chinatown dish
: washer.
: why should black kids from those families be treated better than chinese
: kids from Chinatown?
: like i said, the admission should be decided on family economical and social
: backgrounds instead of races.
| j***k
发帖数: 2719 | 19 you don't need to get into a top ivy school to be educated and break the
proverty cycle.
those kids who are qualified to go to penn state, suny or rutgers could
still go there...
bringing someone who's not qualified into ivy schools and deprive the chance
of some poor asian kids based purely on race is wrong and disgusting.
parents,
she
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: but the thing is chinese parents are willing to spend time and money on
: their kids, even if they are just dishwashers in chinatown. because
: education is engrained in chinese parents head
: black parents, uneducated, they just dont care about kids education,
: compared to chinese parents. so when the kids grow up and become a parents,
: they dont care about their kids education either. it's a bad cycle that
: need to break from outside. u let a black kid go to a good college, he/she
: will understand the importance of education, then he/she will pass it down
: to their next generation
:
| i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 20 麻烦几位别和牛肉较真。
这贴是干正经事儿的。
别这样就淹了。
谢谢！ | | | r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 21 名校有自主招生权，没有公平竞争一说。
不过因为名校向政府要各种“研究经费”，因此需要遵守一些政府的“公平原则”，招
收各种肤色/信仰/性别/性倾向的学生。如果一所名校需要各招收1000名Asian
American和1000名African American，出现这种分数差别情况是极其可能的。
其实，如果名校毕业的亚裔学生都能像其他大部分学生那样给母校大量捐款的话，估计
名校门也会大量招收新的亚裔学生。
有人估计，哈佛，培养一个4年的本科生，大概需要50万美元。平均每年12万多。
对于每年的12万多，校友们的累积捐款基金Endowment fund，付了大概有8万，学生自
己负剩下的4万多“标准学费”。对于低收入的家庭，校友们还有另外的专用捐款，来
赞助剩下的4万。
小孩，只要能进，就等于得到了累积捐款基金赞助的每年8万。如果家庭收入低，“标
准学费”也会由专用捐款赞助。
如果你在这些学校读过书，每个学期都会让你填“毕业后的捐赠意向”。校友的话，一
般都会在有生之年，至少累积捐回一个学生的全部学费，这也意味着，你上了这所学校
，认为很值得，也让学校能继续好下去（至少学生不会减少/萎缩），招到好学生，形
成一个良性循环。
现在有可能最大的问题是，名校毕业的亚裔学生们很少向母校适量捐款。
【在 i**********o 的大作中提到】
: 决战最高法院， 请投庄严一票，来捍卫你孩子公平竞争入学名校的机会
: 请置顶，请在以下网页签名表示支持“FOR"，并请帮忙转发！
: http://admin.80-20nj.info/cgi/80/e?l=8/11e/f&w=no
| j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 22 when u have to compete with other asian on bbs about ur houses, ur cars and
ur bank accounts, of course, u not gonna have any money left to give
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: 名校有自主招生权，没有公平竞争一说。
: 不过因为名校向政府要各种“研究经费”，因此需要遵守一些政府的“公平原则”，招
: 收各种肤色/信仰/性别/性倾向的学生。如果一所名校需要各招收1000名Asian
: American和1000名African American，出现这种分数差别情况是极其可能的。
: 其实，如果名校毕业的亚裔学生都能像其他大部分学生那样给母校大量捐款的话，估计
: 名校门也会大量招收新的亚裔学生。
: 有人估计，哈佛，培养一个4年的本科生，大概需要50万美元。平均每年12万多。
: 对于每年的12万多，校友们的累积捐款基金Endowment fund，付了大概有8万，学生自
: 己负剩下的4万多“标准学费”。对于低收入的家庭，校友们还有另外的专用捐款，来
: 赞助剩下的4万。
| r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 23 TO GIVE, is important.
名校办学目的, is to GIVE good education to good students/future leaders,
plus expecting them contribute back to school in the future to CONTINUE
GIVING good education to future good students.
现在有可能最大的问题是，most Asian Alumni, take, not give.
and
【在 j**4 的大作中提到】
: when u have to compete with other asian on bbs about ur houses, ur cars and
: ur bank accounts, of course, u not gonna have any money left to give
| L******k
发帖数: 33825 | | m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 25 In principle
men give, women take in.
Thats just the design.
A beautiful design.... | c*********n
发帖数: 1282 | 26 Just do not apply famous school. If all Asian try to apply a third school,
it will exceed Harvard in 10 years. | d***s
发帖数: 7683 | 27 等共产党下台后,我们中国的学校再发展几十年也一样可以和哈佛平起平坐. |
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