S*******r
发帖数: 11017 | 1 Nick Saban
He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
hands down with a much talented team EVERY YEAR. So what could Meyer do to
save his own career from falling apart? Don't play your enemy's game. That's
why he chose to coach at Big Ten and OSU, where his chance of encountering
Saban is much much lower. Meyer's scheme is still pretty effective facing
most schools in NCAA and he is still an excellent recruiter. What happened
in the most recent Iron Bowl is exactly what he has been waiting for after
he quit his last coaching job:
1. Saban gets caught by bad luck (he already got it once last year with
Johnny Football but somehow got bailed out)
2. A chance to win multiple BCS National Championships at different programs
-- a triumph achieved by only Saban
Meyer is indeed a smart ass. |
w**d
发帖数: 1476 | 2 首先你的标题就不对：市长离开GATOR的时候是无法预见到OSU这么快就有空缺出来，
只不过因缘际会，市长和OSU很有些缘分和运道罢了。（别跟我说什么市长早就知道
OSU会出问题。）
除去标题应该改成"why Meyer left Gator" 外，其他你说的多半有理。
从我们外行的角度来看都觉得市长对上撒版在常规赛可能还差不多，到了碗赛
（准备时间充分，队伍齐整）多半凶多吉少。
同时萨班也绝对不是市长离开FL的唯一原因。除了减少head to head的机会以外，
SEC毕竟是个绞肉机，强悍之如巴马三冠全国
却没法在SEC不败。相对来说到了B10或其他大联盟，就是拿到了一个fass pass to NCG
.
（当然今年就是这个"fast pass"几乎让目前不败的OSU排不进前二， 所谓成也萧何败
也萧何）
而且运道不错，刚好没两年OSU这个历史传统粉丝等等都与巴马可比肩的powerhouse
有空缺出来，it's really a no brainer for Meyer.
Saban
Trent
ass
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
|
s********e
发帖数: 601 | 3 If losing B1G CCG game tomorrow, unfortunately he has to face Saban again.
So Meyer will try his best to win tomorrow's game. |
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 4 nd, osu, michigan, usc, texas all had openings in the past couple of years (
texas maybe in the next year). it's amazing
NCG
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 首先你的标题就不对：市长离开GATOR的时候是无法预见到OSU这么快就有空缺出来，
: 只不过因缘际会，市长和OSU很有些缘分和运道罢了。（别跟我说什么市长早就知道
: OSU会出问题。）
: 除去标题应该改成"why Meyer left Gator" 外，其他你说的多半有理。
: 从我们外行的角度来看都觉得市长对上撒版在常规赛可能还差不多，到了碗赛
: （准备时间充分，队伍齐整）多半凶多吉少。
: 同时萨班也绝对不是市长离开FL的唯一原因。除了减少head to head的机会以外，
: SEC毕竟是个绞肉机，强悍之如巴马三冠全国
: 却没法在SEC不败。相对来说到了B10或其他大联盟，就是拿到了一个fass pass to NCG
: .
|
M**t
发帖数: 55 | 5 nod. to be frank, if it wasn't OSU but another powerhouse which had the
opening , I'm almost sure Meyer will also take that job in a split of second.
(
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: nd, osu, michigan, usc, texas all had openings in the past couple of years (
: texas maybe in the next year). it's amazing
:
: NCG
|
s**********l
发帖数: 8966 | 6 这些年我在加州，西海岸的球队比赛看得多些，说实话这边球队很强，meyer要是打
rosebowl碰上
斯坦福不一定能活着回去。
我甚至认为Saban这些年比较lucky的一个因素就是决赛木有打过PAC12强队，ND/
Michigan/OSU这些都是高大壮速度慢的典型，PAC12球队非常shifty，有些power也极好。
【在 M**t 的大作中提到】
: nod. to be frank, if it wasn't OSU but another powerhouse which had the
: opening , I'm almost sure Meyer will also take that job in a split of second.
:
: (
|
s*******s
发帖数: 9489 | 7 每个联盟都有自己的风格。sec比其他联盟实力强一点。其他的联盟起起伏伏，时强时
弱，没有哪个比较稳定地强。
好。
【在 s**********l 的大作中提到】
: 这些年我在加州，西海岸的球队比赛看得多些，说实话这边球队很强，meyer要是打
: rosebowl碰上
: 斯坦福不一定能活着回去。
: 我甚至认为Saban这些年比较lucky的一个因素就是决赛木有打过PAC12强队，ND/
: Michigan/OSU这些都是高大壮速度慢的典型，PAC12球队非常shifty，有些power也极好。
|
M**t
发帖数: 55 | 8 Like LSU or Auburn playing Oregon? Oregon is more shifty but not powerful,
Standford is more powerful but not as shifty. Neither will have good chance
against Bama.
好。
【在 s**********l 的大作中提到】
: 这些年我在加州，西海岸的球队比赛看得多些，说实话这边球队很强，meyer要是打
: rosebowl碰上
: 斯坦福不一定能活着回去。
: 我甚至认为Saban这些年比较lucky的一个因素就是决赛木有打过PAC12强队，ND/
: Michigan/OSU这些都是高大壮速度慢的典型，PAC12球队非常shifty，有些power也极好。
|
u******l
发帖数: 405 | 9
Saban
Trent
ass
What a bunch of shit and someone believes that?
If true, all the rest SEC coaches are what, morons??
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
|
Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 10 这个和Recruit有关，除了USC，没有几个球队的recrui能和bama，LSU比的，我说的是
每年的Recruit,不是突然1-2年。这样球队的实力就会有一定起伏，当然也和教练有关
，伤病有关。
【在 s*******s 的大作中提到】
: 每个联盟都有自己的风格。sec比其他联盟实力强一点。其他的联盟起起伏伏，时强时
: 弱，没有哪个比较稳定地强。
:
: 好。
|
|
|
u****d
发帖数: 23938 | 11 你这球是白看了。
好。
【在 s**********l 的大作中提到】
: 这些年我在加州，西海岸的球队比赛看得多些，说实话这边球队很强，meyer要是打
: rosebowl碰上
: 斯坦福不一定能活着回去。
: 我甚至认为Saban这些年比较lucky的一个因素就是决赛木有打过PAC12强队，ND/
: Michigan/OSU这些都是高大壮速度慢的典型，PAC12球队非常shifty，有些power也极好。
|
B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 12 我觉得像这种离职，多少是因为和自己的老板有分歧。应该和塞班没有什么关系。 |
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 13 lol. isn't stanford the same mold? and the shifty oregon? they have already
played osu, auburn and lsu and lost all of them
好。
【在 s**********l 的大作中提到】
: 这些年我在加州，西海岸的球队比赛看得多些，说实话这边球队很强，meyer要是打
: rosebowl碰上
: 斯坦福不一定能活着回去。
: 我甚至认为Saban这些年比较lucky的一个因素就是决赛木有打过PAC12强队，ND/
: Michigan/OSU这些都是高大壮速度慢的典型，PAC12球队非常shifty，有些power也极好。
|
p**x
发帖数: 6614 | 14 that is the reason why UM left uf, not the reason he took OSU job.
Saban
Trent
ass
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
|
d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 15 I would say it's pathetic to talk a great coach's decision based on non-
sense assumptions. Urban Meyer's scheme would have worked even more
affective had him stayed in Florida. Johnny Manzel and Auburn's success
against Saban have all proved the Um's offense concepts. The reason behind
his retirement from Gators remain mystery but I believe there are more of a
political thing behind it. All of these years for gators are a total mess
and your AD still tries to stir a even worse case by supporting Muschamp. I
don't think Meyer would have quit just because Saban has arrived in SEC. Any
reputable coach would not even consider it as a laughable reason to quit a
program. Does SOS ring a bell?
Saban
Trent
ass
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
|
d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 16 终于有个明白人
【在 B****2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得像这种离职，多少是因为和自己的老板有分歧。应该和塞班没有什么关系。
|
p**x
发帖数: 6614 | 17 UM多次表示过了，Florida上下对他压力太大，当年SOS离开UF也是主动离开的，并不是
“找到了redskin的工作才离开的”。有次接受采访，SOS都说过，Florida fans
expectation is too high, it is alomost like they invented footbal。
毛人弟弟这篇雄文确实让我大跌眼镜啊，和其一贯水准不相符啊，难道是ID被巴马扇子
盗了？
a
I
Any
a
【在 d********g 的大作中提到】
: I would say it's pathetic to talk a great coach's decision based on non-
: sense assumptions. Urban Meyer's scheme would have worked even more
: affective had him stayed in Florida. Johnny Manzel and Auburn's success
: against Saban have all proved the Um's offense concepts. The reason behind
: his retirement from Gators remain mystery but I believe there are more of a
: political thing behind it. All of these years for gators are a total mess
: and your AD still tries to stir a even worse case by supporting Muschamp. I
: don't think Meyer would have quit just because Saban has arrived in SEC. Any
: reputable coach would not even consider it as a laughable reason to quit a
: program. Does SOS ring a bell?
|
d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 18 你倒是明白点 我也很吃惊他发这种文章去copy哪个网站得？
【在 p**x 的大作中提到】
: UM多次表示过了，Florida上下对他压力太大，当年SOS离开UF也是主动离开的，并不是
: “找到了redskin的工作才离开的”。有次接受采访，SOS都说过，Florida fans
: expectation is too high, it is alomost like they invented footbal。
: 毛人弟弟这篇雄文确实让我大跌眼镜啊，和其一贯水准不相符啊，难道是ID被巴马扇子
: 盗了？
:
: a
: I
: Any
: a
|
p**x
发帖数: 6614 | 19 实际上我12年去看UF对OSU的gator bowl，现场双方球迷谈到UM这个问题，大家没人认
为他是逃避萨班问题去了，就是UF当年问题太多，program在slump上，UM想早点抽身。
恰恰是UM这两年战绩比较好，这种为了躲塞班跑到B1G的论调又出来了。
当年应该早点把UM放走，UM在UF的最后一年烂透了，可以想象一下一个去意已绝的教练
，面对这样一个球员好多thug，抽大麻不训练，球迷AD还想着来个NCG的program，基本
就是什么都没做。如果09年放走了UM，早点开始重建，也许现在就不是这个样子了。
【在 d********g 的大作中提到】
: 你倒是明白点 我也很吃惊他发这种文章去copy哪个网站得？
|
l****o
发帖数: 942 | 20 不要忘了UM离职的时候说的，This program is broken。
毛弟说的其实也是为什么需要4-team playoff。像今年这种情况正好证明4-team
playoff的合理性，很遗憾playoff到明年才能开始。
今年估计是OSU和noles争冠了。OSU好歹已经24连胜了，noles何德何能，也混进冠军赛
了。。 |
|
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 21 i think this is only chinese fans, never met an american fan who thinks like
that. but then again i only know a small sample of american fans
【在 p**x 的大作中提到】
: 实际上我12年去看UF对OSU的gator bowl，现场双方球迷谈到UM这个问题，大家没人认
: 为他是逃避萨班问题去了，就是UF当年问题太多，program在slump上，UM想早点抽身。
: 恰恰是UM这两年战绩比较好，这种为了躲塞班跑到B1G的论调又出来了。
: 当年应该早点把UM放走，UM在UF的最后一年烂透了，可以想象一下一个去意已绝的教练
: ，面对这样一个球员好多thug，抽大麻不训练，球迷AD还想着来个NCG的program，基本
: 就是什么都没做。如果09年放走了UM，早点开始重建，也许现在就不是这个样子了。
|
G*********s
发帖数: 6786 | 22 没有一个教练希望有Seban这样的对手吧
基本上你可能赢他一次，但很难赢他第二次
UM的出走不完全是因为Seban，但关系绝对很大
如果不是09年SEC冠军赛输了，Meyer也是三冠王 |
T********d
发帖数: 104 | 23 如果KEVIN SUMLIN像传言一样说的今年去了USC，肯定也有人说他是为了躲SABAN。
连BOB PETRINO为了躲SABAN，不惜骑摩托车。
DEREK DOOLEY/GENE CHIZIK为了躲SABAN，不惜摆烂。
只有孙红雷这种二杆子，迎着SABAN上。
SABAN啊，你就是那春天里的太阳啊！！ |
n******r
发帖数: 4455 | 24 少一卖有去密西根躲Baban的机会没抓住
现在肠子都悔青了啊
【在 T********d 的大作中提到】
: 如果KEVIN SUMLIN像传言一样说的今年去了USC，肯定也有人说他是为了躲SABAN。
: 连BOB PETRINO为了躲SABAN，不惜骑摩托车。
: DEREK DOOLEY/GENE CHIZIK为了躲SABAN，不惜摆烂。
: 只有孙红雷这种二杆子，迎着SABAN上。
: SABAN啊，你就是那春天里的太阳啊！！
|
f******o
发帖数: 4689 | 25 我鳄扇子主要是不能接受恶班现在还能风生水起，我鳄现在是被福利彻底搞烂了，话说
当年好像福利逼着恶班改变打法，以期能在招生上不被拉下。
【在 d********g 的大作中提到】
: 你倒是明白点 我也很吃惊他发这种文章去copy哪个网站得？
|
c**********o
发帖数: 1941 | 26 多半如此， 呵呵
【在 B****2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得像这种离职，多少是因为和自己的老板有分歧。应该和塞班没有什么关系。
|
n*******1
发帖数: 2254 | 27 看着这傻班就是一大毒草啊...
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 T********d 的大作中提到】
: 如果KEVIN SUMLIN像传言一样说的今年去了USC，肯定也有人说他是为了躲SABAN。
: 连BOB PETRINO为了躲SABAN，不惜骑摩托车。
: DEREK DOOLEY/GENE CHIZIK为了躲SABAN，不惜摆烂。
: 只有孙红雷这种二杆子，迎着SABAN上。
: SABAN啊，你就是那春天里的太阳啊！！
|
R*******a
发帖数: 2463 | 28 盖棺定论吧，这个说法是最有说服力最接近真相的。
不过细节就没必要再追述了，history is history.
【在 B****2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得像这种离职，多少是因为和自己的老板有分歧。应该和塞班没有什么关系。
|
f******o
发帖数: 4689 | 29 Petrino 5年没赢过傻班。
【在 T********d 的大作中提到】
: 如果KEVIN SUMLIN像传言一样说的今年去了USC，肯定也有人说他是为了躲SABAN。
: 连BOB PETRINO为了躲SABAN，不惜骑摩托车。
: DEREK DOOLEY/GENE CHIZIK为了躲SABAN，不惜摆烂。
: 只有孙红雷这种二杆子，迎着SABAN上。
: SABAN啊，你就是那春天里的太阳啊！！
|
s*******s
发帖数: 9489 | |
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g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 31 这斯多年不来，来了就扔炸弹到粪坑里面。
你鳄不要再酸市长走人了，赶紧找个好教练是正经。我密侯哥和你鳄马哥，明年热屁股
候选人，我密和你鳄明年要拿着支票本找人了。
Saban
Trent
ass
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
|
n***i
发帖数: 4627 | 32 你个巴马扇子就别胡说八道了
【在 f******o 的大作中提到】
: 我鳄扇子主要是不能接受恶班现在还能风生水起，我鳄现在是被福利彻底搞烂了，话说
: 当年好像福利逼着恶班改变打法，以期能在招生上不被拉下。
|
n***i
发帖数: 4627 | 33 要是害怕有对手，就不要当职业教练了。所以说哪个教练害怕某个对手撂挑子不干的都
是胡扯。
SB强，也没强到横扫sec的程度，连LK带领下的utk当年都差点把巴马踢死。说起SB三冠
，运气不要太好，rematch奇葩都能有，命不是一般的强。SEC这帮HC的ego一个比一个
大，要是说谁怵SB，搞笑啊。。。
【在 G*********s 的大作中提到】
: 没有一个教练希望有Seban这样的对手吧
: 基本上你可能赢他一次，但很难赢他第二次
: UM的出走不完全是因为Seban，但关系绝对很大
: 如果不是09年SEC冠军赛输了，Meyer也是三冠王
|
s**********l
发帖数: 8966 | 34 打你们的时候神功未成呢，斯坦福绝对不是power running球队，他们scout经常打read
option，Derek Mason专门讲过怎么防，很多套路都是对着自己练出来的。
另外哈勃在的时候搞满街跑TE，西海岸球队进攻套路丰富，看起来爽多了。
already
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: lol. isn't stanford the same mold? and the shifty oregon? they have already
: played osu, auburn and lsu and lost all of them
:
: 好。
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x****s
发帖数: 450 | 35 SOS之前，Florida是个平庸的球队。那是Florida的战绩犹如Vandy（这个夸张了，没那
么差），球迷的自豪感犹如ND的粉丝。
此文很像本版某个巴马扇子的论调。
【在 p**x 的大作中提到】
: UM多次表示过了，Florida上下对他压力太大，当年SOS离开UF也是主动离开的，并不是
: “找到了redskin的工作才离开的”。有次接受采访，SOS都说过，Florida fans
: expectation is too high, it is alomost like they invented footbal。
: 毛人弟弟这篇雄文确实让我大跌眼镜啊，和其一贯水准不相符啊，难道是ID被巴马扇子
: 盗了？
:
: a
: I
: Any
: a
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x****s
发帖数: 450 | 36 Had UM known SB's game ending decision was so smart, he would have been at
Florida as long as SB is with Alabama.
Saban
Trent
ass
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: Nick Saban
: He knew that he couldn't beat him head-to-head anymore after 2009 when Saban
: got the players he needs to run his system. College football is all about
: recruiting and there is no bigger recruiting pitch than the chance to play
: in NFL. In this regard, Saban's scheme on both sides of ball beat Meyer's
: and that explains why Meyer lost the recruiting battle of Julio Jones, Trent
: Richardson, and etc. to him. I think Meyer started seeing this picture
: especially his attempt to switch from his Spread Options attack to a more
: NFL-friendly up-tempo offense failed in 2009 even with Tebow on his roster.
: So the bottom line is, if Meyer stays in SEC, Saban is going to kick his ass
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x****s
发帖数: 450 | 37 because of SB, all of colleges except UAT give up football program.
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【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: nd, osu, michigan, usc, texas all had openings in the past couple of years (
: texas maybe in the next year). it's amazing
:
: NCG
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o****3
发帖数: 5100 | 38
Um had a lot of players 1/3? In legal trouble, ad may not be happy even um
had a great team
【在 B****2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得像这种离职，多少是因为和自己的老板有分歧。应该和塞班没有什么关系。
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