s*******u
发帖数: 9508 | 1 他说，美国的民主体系，已经千疮百孔了，他已经不care national politics了。 | R**k
发帖数: 2075 | | k**u
发帖数: 10502 | 3 确实是这样的。
美国的民主制度，只有在城镇这种草根级别还行。
上层的政治已经腐败得不成样子了。
【在 s*******u 的大作中提到】
: 他说，美国的民主体系，已经千疮百孔了，他已经不care national politics了。
| s**x
发帖数: 7506 | 4 我老已经想好了，互联网必定会带来真正的民主革命，网络投票全民公决会成为民主的
最好方式。
你选的议员未必真正代表你。
民主肯定是好的，但民主表达的方式有很多，议会制基本被政党控制，离开了民意。 | d*********u
发帖数: 2952 | | d*********u
发帖数: 2952 | 6 横批: 倒贴行不？
【在 d*********u 的大作中提到】
: 不贪不占一个burger， 千万上亿一把武器
| z*****3
发帖数: 1793 | 7 典型被洗脑。你给我从美国宪法里面找出任何一个democracy的字眼，我服你。
所谓democracy，必然就是比票数，谁掌握票多，谁就是爷。这是其fundamental flaw。
所以美国的founding fathers认为美国应该是republic为根本制度。rule by laws才
是美国立国根本，democracy只是玩具而已。
【在 s**x 的大作中提到】
: 我老已经想好了，互联网必定会带来真正的民主革命，网络投票全民公决会成为民主的
: 最好方式。
: 你选的议员未必真正代表你。
: 民主肯定是好的，但民主表达的方式有很多，议会制基本被政党控制，离开了民意。
| s********i
发帖数: 17328 | | s*******u
发帖数: 9508 | 9 exactly!
【在 k**u 的大作中提到】
: 确实是这样的。
: 美国的民主制度，只有在城镇这种草根级别还行。
: 上层的政治已经腐败得不成样子了。
| B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 10 奇怪么
大千世界
什么人都有
俺周围的人
希粉床粉卢比欧粉都有
你挖出来这样愤世嫉俗的也有几个
就你像发现了新大陆似的
米蒂民主再虚伪
也比产党的人民民主专政强百倍 | | | k**u
发帖数: 10502 | 11 从词源上来说，republic意为人民的政府，democracy以为由人民来统治，意思都差不
多。
flaw。
【在 z*****3 的大作中提到】
: 典型被洗脑。你给我从美国宪法里面找出任何一个democracy的字眼，我服你。
: 所谓democracy，必然就是比票数，谁掌握票多，谁就是爷。这是其fundamental flaw。
: 所以美国的founding fathers认为美国应该是republic为根本制度。rule by laws才
: 是美国立国根本，democracy只是玩具而已。
| z*****3
发帖数: 1793 | 12 我查到的可不是哦。
republic:
c. 1600, "state in which supreme power rests in the people via elected
representatives," from Middle French république (15c.), from Latin
respublica (ablative republica) "the common weal, a commonwealth, state,
republic," literally res publica "public interest, the state," from res "
affair, matter, thing" + publica, fem. of publicus "public" (see public (adj
.)). Republic of letters attested from 1702.
democracy (n.)
1570s, from Middle French démocratie (14c.), from Medieval Latin democratia
(13c.), from Greek demokratia "popular government," from demos "common
people," originally "district" (see demotic), + kratos "rule, strength" (see
-cracy).
republic词源是公共事务 res "affair"+publica "public"，democracy才是人民统治
（ demos "common people," originally "district" (see demotic), + kratos "
rule, strength" ）。而且republic在美国宪法的意思是rule by laws。不要混淆视听。
【在 k**u 的大作中提到】
: 从词源上来说，republic意为人民的政府，democracy以为由人民来统治，意思都差不
: 多。
:
: flaw。
| n***9
发帖数: 564 | | l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 14 你把他送到中国去，他会不会极度崇拜？就像雪顿崇拜鹅毛一样。 | k**u
发帖数: 10502 | 15 好吧，republic的愿意是公共利益，也就是人民的利益。
美国宪法哪里重新定义了？原话在哪里？
adj
democratia
【在 z*****3 的大作中提到】
: 我查到的可不是哦。
: republic:
: c. 1600, "state in which supreme power rests in the people via elected
: representatives," from Middle French république (15c.), from Latin
: respublica (ablative republica) "the common weal, a commonwealth, state,
: republic," literally res publica "public interest, the state," from res "
: affair, matter, thing" + publica, fem. of publicus "public" (see public (adj
: .)). Republic of letters attested from 1702.
: democracy (n.)
: 1570s, from Middle French démocratie (14c.), from Medieval Latin democratia
| z*****3
发帖数: 1793 | 16 Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
application of the legislature, or of the executive
就是三权里面的立法和行政。democracy，你来找找，下面原文。
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcri
【在 k**u 的大作中提到】
: 好吧，republic的愿意是公共利益，也就是人民的利益。
: 美国宪法哪里重新定义了？原话在哪里？
:
: adj
: democratia
| k**u
发帖数: 10502 | 17 我没有提出什么论点，也从来没说过宪法里有democracy这个词。
你提供的宪法里，确实说了政体是共和国。
但是你没有回答我的问题：美国宪法怎么把republic这个词解释成rule of laws了？
Republican
on
【在 z*****3 的大作中提到】
: Section. 4.
: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
: Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
: Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
: cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
: application of the legislature, or of the executive
: 就是三权里面的立法和行政。democracy，你来找找，下面原文。
: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcri
| l*****i
发帖数: 20533 | 18 不吸毒的鄙视吸毒的。
【在 n***9 的大作中提到】
: 没有卵的嘲笑有卵的。
| d**z
发帖数: 3577 | 19
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在二战之前，米国早已不再属于狗蝇。
米国狗蝇的唯一拯救和出路，就是自助。
而今天唯一有效的自助是逆向插吸。
http://tinyurl.com/disabuser
【在 s*******u 的大作中提到】
: 他说，美国的民主体系，已经千疮百孔了，他已经不care national politics了。
| z*****3
发帖数: 1793 | 20 Republic vs. Democracy
Rule by Law vs. Rule by Majority
Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a
woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created,
Benjamin Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."
A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the United States
Constitution). A Democracy is government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A
Republic recognizes the unalienable rights of individuals while Democracies
are only concerned with group wants or needs for the good of the public, or
in other words social justice.
Lawmaking is a slow, deliberate process in our Constitutional Republic
requiring approval from the three branches of government, the Legislative,
Executive, and Judicial branches for checks and balance. Lawmaking in
Democracy occurs rapidly requiring approval from the majority by polls and/
or voter referendums, which in turn is mob rule 50% plus 1 vote takes away
anything from the minority. Here is one example; if 51% of the people don’t
pay taxes they can vote a tax increase on the 49% that do, which is mob
rule.
Democracies always self-destruct when the non-productive majority realizes
that it can vote itself handouts from the productive minority by electing
the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury. To
maintain their power, these candidates must adopt an ever-increasing tax and
spend policy to satisfy the ever-increasing desires of the majority. As
taxes increase, incentive to produce decreases, causing many of the once
productive to drop out and join the non-productive. When there are no longer
enough producers to fund the legitimate functions of government and the
socialist programs, the democracy will collapse, always to be followed by a
Dictatorship.
Even though nearly every politician, teacher, journalist and citizen
believes that our Founders created a democracy, it is absolutely not true.
The Founders knew full well the differences between a Republic and a
Democracy and they repeatedly said that they had founded a republic in
numerous quotes, and documents.
Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "The United States shall guarantee
to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government, and shall
protect each of them against Invasion", the word Democracy is not mentioned
in the Constitution at all. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies
with this quote, along with more warnings from others.
"Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and
contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the
rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they
have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a
government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a
different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." James
Madison, Federalist Papers No. 10 (1787).
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Ben Franklin
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Thomas Jefferson
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and
murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
” John Adams
“But government in which the majority rule in all cases can not be based on
justice, even as far as men understand it.” Henry David Thoreau
Our military training manuals use to contain the correct definitions of
Democracy and Republic. The following comes from Training Manual No. 2000-25
published by the War Department, November 30, 1928.
Below is what the Manual No. 2000-25 says in Section IX Lesson 9.
DEMOCRACY:
A government of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct"
expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether
is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and
impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
REPUBLIC:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials
best fitted to represent them.
Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a
sensible economic procedure.
Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed
principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within
its compass.
Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and
progress.
Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.
The manuals containing these definitions were ordered destroyed without
explanation about the same time that President Franklin D. Roosevelt made
private ownership of our lawful money (US Minted Gold Coins) illegal.
Shortly after the people turned in their $20 gold coins, the price was
increased from $20 per ounce to $35 per ounce. Almost overnight F.D.R., the
most popular president this century (elected 4 times) looted almost half of
this nation's wealth, while convincing the people that it was for their own
good. His right hand man, Harry Lloyd Hopkins, the New Deal architect, who
suggested many of F.D.R.’s policies said.
"We shall Tax and Tax, Spend and Spend, Elect and Elect, because the people
are too damn dumb to know the difference". Harry Hopkins
http://www.whatourforefathersthought.com/DemoRep.html
【在 k**u 的大作中提到】
: 我没有提出什么论点，也从来没说过宪法里有democracy这个词。
: 你提供的宪法里，确实说了政体是共和国。
: 但是你没有回答我的问题：美国宪法怎么把republic这个词解释成rule of laws了？
:
: Republican
: on
| h****g
发帖数: 11365 | 21
上层都一样，因为从制度设计的时候，统治阶级就已经留好了后门，这个后门还不是那
么容易堵上。
基层应该好点，前提是没有黑社会啥的（“社区领袖”）掺和。
【在 k**u 的大作中提到】
: 确实是这样的。
: 美国的民主制度，只有在城镇这种草根级别还行。
: 上层的政治已经腐败得不成样子了。
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