T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | |
t*d
发帖数: 8340 | |
a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 3 天气变暖，是全球变暖导致的。
天气变冷，也是全球变暖导致的。
--------变暖教老将 |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 4
防止变暖是巴马的基本国策，和小平的计划生育一样。
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】
: 有什么意义吗
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 5
What do you mean? The chart clearly shows it's going up.
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 防止变暖是巴马的基本国策，和小平的计划生育一样。
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a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 6 变暖教的猖狂得势，还导致了能源行业的巨大变迁。
发信人: awaydream (大剑一挥风雷动，不畏豪强斩蛇虫。), 信区: Stock
标 题: Re: 这波能源，煤炭的不少企业倒闭
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 20 09:58:34 2015, 美东)
这一波新能源（可再生能源，bioethanol，太阳能，风能等）的起家，
其实跟美帝的全球变暖教的兴起，进而导致的低碳经济有很大关系。
尤其是水压裂法搞的天然气和油，直接把传统煤炭行业给弄死了。
更要命的是，打着变暖教的旗号，国家还给新能源发放大量补贴，就是
不给煤炭业补贴，就是把煤炭业朝死里整呀。
变暖教的大潮流浩浩荡荡，直接碾压了煤炭产业。
尽管最近两年，变暖教的多个预言（北极冰川全部融化，海平面大幅上升，
全球气温持续上升，冬天变暖，夏天更热）等等全面破产，逼着变暖教换名头，
改成climate change教。但是，climate change教（变暖教）还是把持话语权，
只是在最近的EPA的新规被搞死上，略微丢分而已。
煤炭行业要想起家，东山再起，必须要全面打垮变暖教，climate change教才行。
至于页岩油，页岩气，等着低油价把他们轰死就行了。
煤炭产业可以翻盘的突发事件：
1. 核电站大规模爆炸，事故（可能性较小），核电站大面积关停。
2. 油价持续低徘徊，打死页岩气，搞死天然气。
3. 全球气候骤然变冷，能源需求剧增，变暖教破产，新能源的补贴都发到煤炭行业。
这个要看，到底哪个科学家更靠谱了。虽然我不信变暖教，但是，是不是真的短期就进入
小寒冰期，也不好说，太阳的鸟事情，谁他妈能预测准呀？
4. 全球经济复苏，能源短缺，煤炭供不应求。 （可能性也不大）
老龄化的地球经济，感觉短时间没啥指望，长时间更没指望，
只能指望科技出现飞跃。
总体而言，煤炭业必须要等待变天的东风，老天不配合的话，
很难日倒变暖教，自己很难抬头。 |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 7
怎么看出来的，尤其是97-98那个el nino peak之后
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
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: What do you mean? The chart clearly shows it's going up.
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 8 what is the aging characteristic of the sensor?
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
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: 怎么看出来的，尤其是97-98那个el nino peak之后
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 9
How can you not see something so blatantly obvious?
The 13 month averages, identified by the red line, are mostly below the
center line prior to the el-nino peak, and mostly above the center line
after the peak.
If you put those data points into Excel and ask excel to draw a trend line,
you would clearly see it's going up.
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 怎么看出来的，尤其是97-98那个el nino peak之后
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 10 全球气温一直在缓慢变化。大气中CO2绝大部分来自海洋，CO2是气温升高的结果。说人
类活动增加CO2排放，进而导致气温升高，是缺乏证据的。
其实人类即使对于地球而言也是很渺小的。
人类对自然的破坏主要是破坏植被，灭绝物种。至于人类数量问题，我不清楚，但是应
该有个上限。
,
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: How can you not see something so blatantly obvious?
: The 13 month averages, identified by the red line, are mostly below the
: center line prior to the el-nino peak, and mostly above the center line
: after the peak.
: If you put those data points into Excel and ask excel to draw a trend line,
: you would clearly see it's going up.
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l*****i
发帖数: 20533 | 11 理工科的？
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】
: what is the aging characteristic of the sensor?
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 12
CO2 atmospheric concentration had varied between low of 180 ppm to high of
280 ppm in earth's history. Ice core measurements clearly indicates prior
to industrial revolution, the CO2 concentration was around 280 ppm, normal
high for CO2 concentration in earth's inter-glacial warm period. Since then
, it has steadily increased from around 280 in 1700's to 320 by 1950's. Now
it's above 400 ppm. No naturally occurring process would have created such
a dramatic change out of the usual extremes in such a short period of time.
Refusing to believe human activities had dramatically changed the CO2
level in our atmosphere is probably a sign that your intelligence level is
not as high as you would like.
Also, some people always say: earth experience high temperature and low
temperatures all through history, and life survived. So it's nothing to
worry about. Of course Earth don't care about high or low temperature.
Life in general is very hardy and will survive and flourish with either high
or low temperature. But us humans, specifically our civilizations won't
survive.
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 全球气温一直在缓慢变化。大气中CO2绝大部分来自海洋，CO2是气温升高的结果。说人
: 类活动增加CO2排放，进而导致气温升高，是缺乏证据的。
: 其实人类即使对于地球而言也是很渺小的。
: 人类对自然的破坏主要是破坏植被，灭绝物种。至于人类数量问题，我不清楚，但是应
: 该有个上限。
:
: ,
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 13 If our civilization is that fragile, it probably deserved to be out.
Worrying about such nonsenses can be one of the reasons why it won't survive
. History has proven again and again the only way to survive is to move
forward.
then
Now
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【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: CO2 atmospheric concentration had varied between low of 180 ppm to high of
: 280 ppm in earth's history. Ice core measurements clearly indicates prior
: to industrial revolution, the CO2 concentration was around 280 ppm, normal
: high for CO2 concentration in earth's inter-glacial warm period. Since then
: , it has steadily increased from around 280 in 1700's to 320 by 1950's. Now
: it's above 400 ppm. No naturally occurring process would have created such
: a dramatic change out of the usual extremes in such a short period of time.
: Refusing to believe human activities had dramatically changed the CO2
: level in our atmosphere is probably a sign that your intelligence level is
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 14 我不是圈内人，这张图你怎么解释？
then
Now
such
time.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: CO2 atmospheric concentration had varied between low of 180 ppm to high of
: 280 ppm in earth's history. Ice core measurements clearly indicates prior
: to industrial revolution, the CO2 concentration was around 280 ppm, normal
: high for CO2 concentration in earth's inter-glacial warm period. Since then
: , it has steadily increased from around 280 in 1700's to 320 by 1950's. Now
: it's above 400 ppm. No naturally occurring process would have created such
: a dramatic change out of the usual extremes in such a short period of time.
: Refusing to believe human activities had dramatically changed the CO2
: level in our atmosphere is probably a sign that your intelligence level is
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 15
CO2 concentration naturally would take hundreds of thousands of years to
change one hundred ppm. We humans managed to do in 150 years.
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 我不是圈内人，这张图你怎么解释？
:
: then
: Now
: such
: time.
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 16 你说在180到280之间，那张图显示显然不是那样
据说地球在进入下一个冰川期，最近的气温小幅度上升，是好事
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: CO2 concentration naturally would take hundreds of thousands of years to
: change one hundred ppm. We humans managed to do in 150 years.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 17
Within the time period of human existence to be more precise. Your graph is
historical values throughout earth's geological time periods, irrelevant
today. Otherwise, earth's early atmosphere had very little free oxygen,
very high concentration of sulfur, methane, CO, CO2. Maybe you would think
a return to that kind of condition is "natural".
Also, the last ice age occurred when earth's CO2 concentration was 180 ppm.
Use a little bit of your brain and you would know we were in no danger of
going into an ice age.
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 你说在180到280之间，那张图显示显然不是那样
: 据说地球在进入下一个冰川期，最近的气温小幅度上升，是好事
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f****i
发帖数: 20252 | 18 理工科的忽悠能力不行
不如耍嘴皮子的,能把association解释成cause
【在 l*****i 的大作中提到】
: 理工科的？
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