l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 1 斯诺登(Snowden)是个宝。
俄国时来运转, 现在是该俄国敲诈美帝了!
俄国赚大了！ | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 2 Here is a link:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39847013.html
发信人: gc01 (gc01), 信区: Military
标 题: Snowden sought Booz Allen job to gather evidence on NSA
surveillanceZT南华早报
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 24 12:51:47 2013, 美东)
"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines
all over the world the NSA hacked," he told the Post in a June 12 interview
that was published Monday. "That is why I accepted that position about
three months ago."
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268209/exclusive-sn
EXCLUSIVE: Snowden sought Booz Allen job to gather evidence on NSA
surveillance
Edward Snowden tells the Post he took a job at NSA contractor Booz Allen
Hamilton to collect proof of surveillance programme.
Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason
alone – to obtain evidence on Washington’s cyberspying networks, the South
China Morning Post can reveal.
For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen
Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency’s
secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media.
“My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of
machines all over the world the NSA hacked,” he told the Post on June 12.
“That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.”
During a global online chat last week, Snowden also stated he took pay cuts
“in the course of pursuing specific work”.
His admission comes as US officials voiced anger at Hong Kong, and
indirectly Beijing, after the whistle-blower was allowed to leave the city
on Sunday.
Snowden is understood to be heading for Ecuador to seek political asylum
with the help of WikiLeaks, which claimed to have secured his safe passage
to the South American country.
Snowden, who arrived in Hong Kong on May 20, first contacted documentary
maker Laura Poitras in January, claiming to have information about the
intelligence community. But it was several months later before Snowden met
Poitras and two British reporters in the city.
He spent the time collecting a cache of classified documents as a computer
systems administrator at Booz Allen Hamilton.
In his interview with the Post, Snowden divulged information that he claimed
showed hacking by the NSA into computers in Hong Kong and mainland China.
“I did not release them earlier because I don’t want to simply dump huge
amounts of documents without regard to their content,” he said.
“I have to screen everything before releasing it to journalists.”
Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of
surveillance, he replied: “Correct on Booz.”
His intention was to collect information about the NSA hacking into “the
whole world” and “not specifically Hong Kong and China”.
The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained during his tenure at
Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said.
He also signalled his intention to leak more of those documents at a later
date.
“If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it
available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment,
independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network
operations against their people should be published.”
Two days after Snowden broke cover in Hong Kong as the source of the NSA
leaks, Booz Allen Hamilton sacked him. | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 3 Another link below:
俄罗斯: 美国不应期待俄驱逐斯诺登
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http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39849067.html
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: Military
标 题: 俄罗斯: 美国不应期待俄驱逐斯诺登
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 24 19:13:51 2013, 美东)
美国不应期待俄驱逐斯诺登
美国国家安全局发言人凯特琳·海登24日在一份声明中说，希望俄罗斯协助遣返斯
诺登。
声明说：“鉴于我们在波士顿马拉松爆炸案后的紧密合作，包括(美方)应俄政府要
求送回多名高级别罪犯，我们期待俄罗斯政府能考虑所有选项，驱逐斯诺登，让他回美
国接受审理。”
俄罗斯总统普京的发言人佩斯科夫24日接受路透社记者电话采访时拒绝就美方要求
作出回应。他说，克里姆林宫对斯诺登与俄罗斯当局接触并不知情。
俄罗斯国家杜马、即议会下院外交委员会主席阿列克谢·普什科夫当天说，美国政
府不应该期待俄罗斯驱逐斯诺登。“一个国家对另一个国家采取敌对措施时，为什么美
国期待俄罗斯给予克制与理解？我认为，批准斯诺登在俄罗斯政治避难不成问题。” | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 4 Another link here:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/edward-snowden-booz-al
Edward Snowden Says He Sought Booz Allen Hamilton Job To Gather NSA
Surveillance Evidence
The Huffington Post | By Mollie Reilly
Posted: 06/24/2013 12:54 pm EDT | Updated: 06/24/2013 4:11 pm EDT
Edward Snowden, the former government contractor who leaked information on
the National Security Agency's surveillance programs, says he sought the job
with Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence on the agency's data collection
networks.
In a June 12 interview with the South China Morning Post published Monday,
Snowden, who previously worked as a CIA technician, said he took the
position with the intention of collecting information on the NSA.
“My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of
machines all over the world the NSA hacked,” he said. “That is why I
accepted that position about three months ago.”
SCMP reports:
Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of
surveillance, he replied: “Correct on Booz.”
His intention was to collect information about the NSA hacking into “the
whole world” and “not specifically Hong Kong and China”.
The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained during his tenure at
Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said.
Snowden also told the Hong Kong newspaper that he intends to leak more
documents on the NSA's programs.
Last week, Reuters reported that Booz Allen Hamilton hired Snowden despite
finding possible discrepancies in his resume. The Senate has also launched
an investigation into USIS, the government contractor that vetted Snowden in
2011.
"We are limited in what we can say about this investigation because it is an
ongoing criminal matter," Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said of the
investigation. "But it is a reminder that background investigations can have
real consequences for our national security."
According to the latest reports, Snowden has left Hong Kong and is believed
to be in Russia. Snowden reportedly did not make a Monday flight to Cuba as
planned.
During a Monday conference call with reporters, WikiLeaks founder Julian
Assange said Snowden is "safe and healthy," but would not give further
details on his whereabouts. | c*********e
发帖数: 16335 | 5 习总非常有智慧。
【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】
: 斯诺登(Snowden)是个宝。
: 俄国时来运转, 现在是该俄国敲诈美帝了!
: 俄国赚大了！
| l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 6 根据我的估计,
斯諾登 (Snowden) 在香港逗留了20-34天;
在俄罗斯逗留了至少7-14天;
与中俄共享情报了 | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 7 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39852997.html
发信人: Closingbell (玩笑别太过，要不都是祸), 信区: Military
标 题: 普京称斯诺登已抵俄：任何针对俄指责都是废话
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun 25 16:04:58 2013, 美东)
俄罗斯总统普京25日确认，美国前国家安全局雇员、“棱镜门”事件揭露者爱德华·斯
诺登确已抵达莫斯科，但他未越过俄联邦国境，仍滞留在机场过境区。普京称，针对俄
罗斯的任何指责都是废话。
“斯诺登先生确实已经抵达莫斯科，这对我们来说完全是个意外”，斯诺登仍在莫
斯科谢列梅捷沃机场过境区滞留，“他是作为过境旅客抵达莫斯科的，因此他不需要签
证以及其他文件，他有权利购买机票并飞往他想去的国家”，普京说。
“斯诺登并没有越过俄罗斯国境，因此任何针对俄罗斯的指责都是臆想和废话”，
普京称，俄罗斯情报机构从没与斯诺登合作过，也不准备与其合作。他表示，由于俄美
之间没有引渡协议，斯诺登亦未在俄境内犯罪，俄罗斯不可能把斯诺登这样的人关进监
狱。
俄罗斯外交部长拉夫罗夫当日在此间说，斯诺登本人、他与美国法律的关系，以及
他在全球的行踪，都与俄没有任何关系，斯诺登是自己在选择行程，目前他没有跨越俄
国境。
拉夫罗夫表示，美国企图指责俄罗斯违反了美国法律、企图对俄方施加威胁，这都
是毫无根据且不可接受的。
这是斯诺登本月23日离开香港飞往莫斯科后，俄罗斯官方的首次表态。此前，斯诺
登抵俄事件都在媒体的追踪下，但一直没有确切信息。
“斯诺登到底在哪？”成为这两日俄媒体记者见面时的调侃语。24日至25日，俄罗
斯航空公司(Aeroflot)自莫斯科飞往哈瓦那的SU150次航班都聚集了不少记者，24日航
班位于舷窗旁的一张编号为“17A”的座位据传是“斯诺登的座位”，但这张橙色椅子
始终空无一人。
一名搭乘SU150的记者以“@SnowdensSeat(斯诺登的座位)”为名在twitter上注册
的账户，因为上传了一张17A的空座位照片，数小时内关注者便超过两千人，关注者们
讨论“斯诺登是否真的会坐上莫斯科至哈瓦那的飞机？”但这个问题仍然没有答案。 | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 8 http://www.6park.com/news/messages/32917.html
俄媒:斯诺登被困莫斯科机场 护照被注销无法买机票
新闻来源: 环球时报 于June 26, 2013 14:46:34 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒体,观
点内容不代表本网立场!
据俄罗斯国际文传电讯社6月26日消息，与美国前中情局雇员斯诺登关系亲近的消息人
士透露称，斯诺登因护照被注销而无法重新购买机票，被迫滞留莫斯科谢列梅杰沃国际
机场中转区。 www.6park.com
消息人士指出，斯诺登的美国护照已经被注销，且其手中没有其它可证明个人身份
的证件。因此他被迫滞留在谢列梅杰沃国际机场中转区，无法进入俄罗斯，也无法买机
票离开。 www.6park.com
据此前报道，美国国务院23日证实，因受到重罪指控和通缉，斯诺登的护照已被吊
销，不得再进行任何境外旅行。
网编：Auspicious | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 9 Great opportunity for KGB :-)
Great opportunity for Russia:-)
LOL | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 12 LOL
Russia is the example!!!
TG is coward:-)
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发信人: sanyanghu (忍者无敌之不去股票版), 信区: Military
标 题: (MD吃瘪了)---俄议会称将邀请斯诺登参与合作调查美监听俄
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 27 13:19:25 2013, 美东)
俄议会称将邀请斯诺登参与合作调查美监听俄
2013年06月27日23:12 人民网
人民网莫斯科6月27日电 (记者 刘旭)据俄新社报道，为调查美国安全部门通过美
国网络公司收集俄罗斯公民信息事件，俄罗斯联邦委员会(俄议会上院)26日成立了专项
调查工作组。该工作组组长鲁斯兰·加塔罗夫27日表示，将邀请美国中情局前特工爱德
华·斯诺登参与合作。
加塔罗夫透露，该工作组的成员包括俄罗斯议会议员，俄罗斯外交部、检察院、俄
\ | w****2
发帖数: 5760 | 13 LOL
【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】
: 不拔毛是不行地!!
| l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | j****l
发帖数: 1352 | 19 完全同意，再次证明了TG是多么的差劲的一个政权，嘴边的鸭子竟然让它飞到俄罗斯！
！！
【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】
: LOL
: Russia is the example!!!
: TG is coward:-)
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: 发信人: sanyanghu (忍者无敌之不去股票版), 信区: Military
: 标 题: (MD吃瘪了)---俄议会称将邀请斯诺登参与合作调查美监听俄
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 27 13:19:25 2013, 美东)
: 俄议会称将邀请斯诺登参与合作调查美监听俄
: 2013年06月27日23:12 人民网
: 人民网莫斯科6月27日电 (记者 刘旭)据俄新社报道，为调查美国安全部门通过美
| N*L
发帖数: 899 | 20 于是snowden长期滞留机场变成了美国人的责任，妙
【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】
: http://www.6park.com/news/messages/32917.html
: 俄媒:斯诺登被困莫斯科机场 护照被注销无法买机票
: 新闻来源: 环球时报 于June 26, 2013 14:46:34 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒体,观
: 点内容不代表本网立场!
: 据俄罗斯国际文传电讯社6月26日消息，与美国前中情局雇员斯诺登关系亲近的消息人
: 士透露称，斯诺登因护照被注销而无法重新购买机票，被迫滞留莫斯科谢列梅杰沃国际
: 机场中转区。 www.6park.com
: 消息人士指出，斯诺登的美国护照已经被注销，且其手中没有其它可证明个人身份
: 的证件。因此他被迫滞留在谢列梅杰沃国际机场中转区，无法进入俄罗斯，也无法买机
: 票离开。 www.6park.com
| | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 21 斯诺登手握死亡按钮 可带给美国史无前例灾难(图)
斯诺登手握死亡按钮 可带给美国史无前例灾难(图)
http://www.6park.com/news/messages/35734.html
新闻来源: 路透社 于July 14, 2013 05:07:52 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒体,观点
内容不代表本网立场!
www.6park.com
记者格林沃尔德称，斯诺登掌握的秘密文件可给美国带来史无前例灾难
www.6park.com
斯诺登事件的最初爆料人、英国《卫报》记者格林沃尔德周六对媒体表示，斯诺登手上
还握有大量未披露的信息，这些信息足以给美国造成史无前例的灾难。格林沃尔德指出
，美国最好跪下来祈祷斯诺登不要出什么意外。 www.6park.com
“斯诺登手上握有足够的信息，在一分钟之内就可以给美国造成比历史上任何时候更大
的灾难，”路透社援引格林沃尔德接受阿根廷《国民报》采访时的话说。 www.6park.
com
“美国政府应该每天都跪下来祈祷斯诺登不要出什么事情，因为一旦斯诺登出了什么意
外，所有的信息都会被披露出来，这将成为美国政府最大的噩梦，”格林沃尔德说。
www.6park.com
当被问到是否相信有人会试图伤害或杀死斯诺登时，格林沃尔德说，斯诺登“已经将文
件分散到了上千个地方，并确保世界上有人掌握着全部的文件”，暗示刺杀行为不会对
任何人有好处。 www.6park.com
路透社的这段引文收到广泛关注后，格林沃尔德本人又在《卫报》上发表一份声明，指
出斯诺登的所作所为并未针对美国政府。 www.6park.com
格林沃尔德说，媒体的报道似乎暗示着斯诺登拥有某种“死亡按钮”，一旦自己被美国
政府杀死，秘密文件就会被披露。但这并不意味着斯诺登相信美国政府正在试图暗杀，
这只是他应对所有可能性的预防措施的一种。 www.6park.com
格林沃尔德还指出，斯诺登截至目前的行为已经证明了，他的目的并不是伤害美国。“
斯诺登手上拥有很多足以快速而沉重地打击美国的文件，但他并没有公开其中的任何一
个。如果他的意图是损害美国，他可能已出售所有文件，或不分青红皂白地把它们发表
，或把它们交给美国的外国敌人。但他没有这么做。” www.6park.com
“他给我们的每一份文件都经过了审慎的挑选，然后最重要的是，要求我们只能发布那
些应当予以披露，并不会导致无端伤害的部分。” www.6park.com
格林沃尔德指出，斯诺登的目的只是要揭露美国的监控项目，提醒世界各地的那些正在
不自觉地暴露个人私隐权的人们。 www.6park.com
斯诺登目前仍然滞留在莫斯科机场，并于12日公开露面，同“人权观察”组织人士一起
会见了记者。 www.6park.com
格林沃尔德说，斯诺登还在俄罗斯的原因不在于他选择了在那里，而是因为美国的封锁
阻止了他离开：从吊销他的护照，到施压盟友关闭领空。 www.6park.com
格林沃尔德透露，斯诺登愿意前往委内瑞拉避难，并抨击了美国政府对拉美国家接收斯
诺登的努力的阻挠。“拉美国家对美国抱有天然的同情，但华盛顿对待该地区的历史政
策让他们愤怒。莫拉莱斯在欧洲的遭遇引起了强烈的反应，玻利维亚仍然被视为一个殖
民地，而不是主权国家。” | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 22 尼马, Snowden 已经在俄罗斯逗留了20多天了!!! | s*****e
发帖数: 16824 | 23 雪村手里肯定有大料，美国对阿桑奇都没这么狠，基本上是不要脸面也要把他搞回去的
感觉。
【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】
: 斯诺登手握死亡按钮 可带给美国史无前例灾难(图)
: 斯诺登手握死亡按钮 可带给美国史无前例灾难(图)
: http://www.6park.com/news/messages/35734.html
: 新闻来源: 路透社 于July 14, 2013 05:07:52 敬请注意:新闻取自各大新闻媒体,观点
: 内容不代表本网立场!
: www.6park.com
: 记者格林沃尔德称，斯诺登掌握的秘密文件可给美国带来史无前例灾难
: www.6park.com
: 斯诺登事件的最初爆料人、英国《卫报》记者格林沃尔德周六对媒体表示，斯诺登手上
: 还握有大量未披露的信息，这些信息足以给美国造成史无前例的灾难。格林沃尔德指出
| a*****y
发帖数: 33185 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 25 Snowden has a lot of top secrets because he is the self-taught computer
expert
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: 雪村手里肯定有大料，美国对阿桑奇都没这么狠，基本上是不要脸面也要把他搞回去的
: 感觉。
| l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 27 斯诺登(Snowden)是个宝!
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斯诺登手握死亡按钮 可带给美国史无前例灾难(图)
http://www.6park.com/news/messages/35734.html
俄国时来运转,
奥巴马强势,公开施压
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奥巴马公开施压 普京指责美国将斯诺登困在俄罗斯
http://www.6park.com/news/messages/35921.html | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 28 斯诺登机场生活揭秘：俄特工保卫 像明星受关注
http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2013/07/16/2519867.html
莫斯科谢列梅捷沃机场，每天有数万名旅客穿梭于此，在短暂驻足后各奔旅途。但有一
名旅客已经在此滞留超过20天，其命运也颇受关注，他就是美国“棱镜”项目曝光者、
美国情报部门前雇员爱德华·斯诺登。
7月12日，斯诺登主动在机场中转区与俄罗斯和国际人权组织代表、知名律师、杜
马议员等会面，重提向俄罗斯申请政治避难，并答应停止损害美国的利益。而美方继续
向俄施压，要求交出受到间谍罪指控的斯诺登。
负责安全保卫
斯诺登在机场中转区一住20多天，里面生活如何？
俄媒体15日援引与斯诺登有过接触的谢列梅捷沃机场服务人员的话说，“乘客”斯
诺登感觉良好，身体健康，从未进过机场医疗室的门。他也未向机场外的医疗机构求助
，他如果需要是可以这样做的。
据这位匿名人士透露，斯诺登可以使用胶囊旅馆的一切便利条件。他可以洗淋浴，
可以使用理发服务，不过要自费。现在他在经济上未出现问题。
俄罗斯国家杜马议员尼科诺夫12日在与斯诺登会面后说，斯诺登状态良好，对问题
反应迅速，自称感觉很安全。只是有时讲话时有些激动。
在驻莫斯科的人权观察高级研究员塔尼娅·洛克希娜看来，斯诺登“看起来像个学
生”。
《莫斯科时报》引用谢列梅捷沃机场人士消息源报道，斯诺登在中转区胶囊旅馆保
留了一个房间，但他也可以进入“为值班员工准备的特殊休息室”。他在旅馆和休息室
的安全都有保障。报道没有说明这种安保措施是安全公司提供的还是政府机构提供的。
对于斯诺登与人权人士等人会面—事，莫斯科回声电台—位记者表示，“一切都已
在俄罗情报部门的操控之中”。他说：“在当前这种清况下，几乎没有任何人能组织这
样一次会面。能做到这一点的只有情报部门。”
大赦国际驻莫斯科办公室负责人尼基京同意这一看法。他说，俄罗斯政府显然在注
意事态发展，因为俄特工机构的代表12日显然在机场会见现场。“如果你看到身着西服
、面孔严肃的几个干练男子，谁会认为这些人是学校老师呢？”
尼基京认为，无论谁在照顾斯诺登，都是在做—件好事，因为斯诺登况说他在莫斯
科享受的待遇很好。斯诺登说，尽管他每天几百遍地听机场广播，他的俄语还是没有进
步。
像超级明星受到关注
其实，从斯诺登决定成为世界头号大国美国政府的爆料者开始，他的一举一动就像
超级明星一样受到关注。从6月23日抵达莫斯科谢列梅捷沃机场开始，记者们开始大规
模驻扎在机场，本报记者轮流盯守，俄罗斯几家主要电视台的直播车直接在停车场“安
营扎寨”。大家开玩笑称《“蹲守斯诺登”就跟买彩票一样，尽管捕捉到他踪影的希望
渺茫，但没有哪家媒体敢放弃希望。但是，斯诺登一下飞机就人间蒸发，跟记者玩起了
猫鼠游戏，这也使追踪这名隐形人的过程充满了戏剧性。
6月24日，有消息称斯诺登可能乘坐飞机从莫斯科飞往古巴首都哈瓦那，许多媒体
都临时决定买票前往。在接下来的许多天，不时有消息传出，斯诺登将乘坐某某航班离
开莫斯科，不少媒体坚持为记者买机票，或者想方设法把记者送入机场中转区，尽量接
近斯诺登。
如此下来，这场“赌局”让这些电视台和报社也花了不少银子。
7月12日，销声匿迹多日的斯诺登终于决定“现身”，与人权人士和律师见面，这
让等待多日的记者们终于有了施展拳脚的机会。机场航站楼里再一次上演了 “记者也
疯狂”的大戏，为了能抢到好的角度，扛着各种设备的记者几乎所向披靡，有的在电梯
上逆行，有的登上围笆，有的则—路小跑直接奔到了会面地点，蜂拥而上的记者一度将
电梯弄坏。
目前依然处于窘迫境地
斯诺登为何在长时间沉默之后选择此时“发声”，俄罗斯政府政府又将如何回应斯
诺登，这些问题引发世人关注。
据参加会面的人士透露，斯诺登表示他现在“不能飞往拉美，希望留在俄罗斯”。
分析人士认为，斯诺登目前“不能能飞往拉美”的原因在于，一是斯诺登被美国视为“
国家敌人”，其美国护照被吊销，出行存在技术上的困难；二是尽管委内瑞拉、厄瓜多
尔、玻利维亚都表态愿意接受斯诺登，但相关政治避难手续的办理需费些时日。此前，
玻利维亚总统专机因被怀疑搭载了斯诺登，遭到葡西意法等国拒绝专机过境，这一事件
让斯诺登有理由相信，被美国四处缉拿的他，留在俄罗斯反而相对安全。
事实上，斯诺登自6月23日飞抵莫斯科以来至今已超过三周。基于安全考虑，他一
直处于“人间蒸发”的状态，此时突然发声，实际上反映出他窘迫的生存现状，因而不
得不打破僵局求助于人。
斯诺登前段时间保持沉默，是为厘清各方包括俄罗斯的态度。如今，在前往拉美暂
时不能成行的情况下，留在俄罗斯—一最起码暂时留在俄罗斯，自然是最为合理的选择
。他再次向俄罗斯提出政治避难申请，也是主动出招，“逼迫”俄罗斯政府表态。斯诺
登希望通过此举摆脱目前的困境，明确自己未来的命运。从理论上说，只要斯诺登停止
反美举动，俄罗斯就没有理由拒绝向其提供政治避难。
分析人士指出，出于俄美关系大局出发，俄罗斯在接受斯诺登一事上可能采取拖延
战术。对此，斯诺登本人可能也有清醒的认识，他最终的理想庇护所应该还是拉美国家
。但斯诺登未来究竟何去何从，依然疑云重重。
普京7月15日与大学生交流，—名女大学生问，斯诺登接下来会发生什么情况？普
京回答说：“这我怎么知道？
这是他的生活，是他的命运。” | q****n
发帖数: 4574 | 29 俄在道义上绝对攒大了! 极大增加了它的名誉和声望和国际地位!
这是俄开始复兴的标志! | M******8
发帖数: 10589 | 30 毛子捞了点镜花水月的“好处（是不是好处还不知道呢，闹不好雪花灯是破辽鬼）”，
几条黄俄走狗就好像他妈出嫁一样兴奋。 | | | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 31 http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/currentevent/557248.html
NSA affair: Ex-President Carter condemned U.S. snooping
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Ex-President Carter: “The invasion of privacy has gone too far”
The Obama administration tried to placate Europe’s anger over spying
programs. Not as ex-President Jimmy Carter: The Democrat attacked the U.S.
intelligence sharp. The disclosure by whistleblowers Snowden was “useful.”
Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter was in the wake of the NSA Spä
hskandals criticized the American political system. ”America has no
functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic
Bridge” in Atlanta.
Previously, the Democrat had been very critical of the practices of U.S.
intelligence. ”I think the invasion of privacy has gone too far,” Carter
told CNN. ”And I think that is why the secrecy was excessive.” Overlooking
the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden said Carter, whose revelations were
long “likely to be useful because they inform the public.”Carter has
repeatedly warned that the United States sharply declined due to excessive
restriction of civil rights, their moral authority. Last year he wrote in an
article in the “New York Times”, new U.S. laws “never before seen breach
our privacy by the government” allowed the.
Carter was the 39th President of the United States, who ruled from 1977
until 1981. During his tenure, he tried to align U.S. foreign policy that is
more about human rights – after his retirement from active politics for
his humanitarian work, he received the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize .
In Atlanta, he also expressed his overall pessimistic about the global
situation. There is currently no reason for him to be optimistic, Carter
said, referring to the situation in Egypt, which had fallen into a military
dictatorship.He also lamented the growing political divide in the United
States, the excessive influence of money in U.S. election campaigns and the
confusing American election rules. The ex-president whose “Carter Center”
operates worldwide including election monitoring, announced skeptical
whether the United States, the standard that applies when reviewing the
Center of elections might be fulfilled.As a bright spot, however, Carter
called the triumph of modern technology that would have caused some of the
countries of the Arab Spring of democratic progress. Exactly these
developments but are endangered by the NSA Spähskandal as major U.S.
Internet platforms such as Google or Facebook lose credibility worldwide. | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | | q****n
发帖数: 4574 | 33 如果雪灯没有什么价值,美国根本用不着这么大动干戈.
雪灯现在爆的,都是一些普通的东西.俄买了几十台老式打字机,应该是受到启发吧.
俄好像还担心美俄关系恶化.美俄关系还能恶化到何处?
其实即使俄把雪灯送给美国,美一样会骨子里想灭了俄.但表面上,也许短暂地对俄表示
一下友好,安慰一下.
相信俄不傻. | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 34 Jimmy Carter is the father of human rights, even he cannot believe what the
American government have been doing!!!!!!!!!!! | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 35 another link here:
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http://wonkette.com/523123/jimmy-carter-says-nsa-surveillance-h
Jimmy Carter Says NSA Surveillance Has Killed Democracy; Didn’t Notice
Other Suspects Holding Bloody Axes (Updated)
by Kris E. Benson
JIMMEHJimmy Carter, your Wonkette’s favorite elder statesman, caused a bit
of a kerfuffle with statements made at a closed-door event in Atlanta for an
Atlantic Bridge meeting:
”Amerika hat derzeit keine funktionierende Demokratie”, sagte Carter am
Dienstag bei einer Veranstaltung der “Atlantik-Brücke” in Atlanta.
No, the kerfuffle was not caused by Jimmy Carter speaking German at the
Atlantic Bridge meeting; it is in German because no American press outlets
showed up to cover the event. The kerfuffle resulted from the English
translation of Der Spiegel‘s German translation of Jimmy Carter’s speech,
as well as the context within which it was said. From HuffPo:
Former President Jimmy Carter announced support for NSA whistleblower Edward
Snowden this week, saying that his uncovering of the agency’s massive
surveillance programs had proven “beneficial” …
“America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time,”
Carter said, according to a translation by Inquisitr.
UPDATED BELOW: Would you believe Jimmy Carter’s cool grandson, JE Carter IV
, says nuh uh, never happened?
On one hand, we love Jimmy Carter. On the other, we disagree with his
analysis that democracy was compromised by PRISM, so we have a bit of a
quandary. See, for the past couple decades we’ve been living in an era of
widespread gerrymandering, a loophole-ridden tax system that allows
companies like GE to avoid paying any taxes at all, and a bifurcated legal
system that rarely holds elites accountable for even the most egregious
examples of wrongdoing. So no disrespect to Jimmy Carter, our favorite ex-
President, but democracy was already bleeding out when PRISM was being
developed.
In June, while Snowden was scrambling to send out asylum requests from an
airport in Russia, Carter appeared to back the former NSA contractor’s
efforts to remain out of U.S. custody.
“He’s obviously violated the laws of America, for which he’s responsible,
but I think the invasion of human rights and American privacy has gone too
far,” he told CNN, saying that nations were within their right to offer
asylum to Snowden. “I think that the secrecy that has been surrounding this
invasion of privacy has been excessive, so I think that the bringing of it
to the public notice has probably been, in the long term, beneficial.”
Beneficial to WHOM, Jimmy Carter? The terrorists? Because it has definitely
benefited the terrorists, we don’t know how it has benefited them because
that’s classified. And we don’t know which terrorists it has benefitted
because that is also classified. Come to think of it, does democracy benefit
the terrorists? Not sure, that’s classified, but better get rid of it just
in case.
UPDATE! James E. Carter IV pinged us to be all “nope.”
So was it incorrectly translated, or just completely incorrect period?
Because the English translation from the German translation is correct, and
presumably the German translation from the English was correct. (Those
Germans, with their fancy “multilingual education.”) Was it made up
completely? Taken out of context? Translated technically correctly but
robbed of nuance or what?
No, says Carter. “[The quote] is just wrong. He didn’t say anything that
he hadn’t said before about NSA/Snowden
I asked.”
Well, SOMEBODY is a liar here, and we are going to state without anything to
back it up whatsoever that it is neither Jimmy Carter nor his grandson,
because of radness.
Read more at http://wonkette.com/523123/jimmy-carter-says-nsa-surveillance-has-killed-democracy-didnt-notice-other-suspects-holding-bloody-axes#P9iUVdSUI1R6BHLR.99 | l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 36 another link:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39980741.html
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: Military
标 题: 律师称斯诺登正学习俄字母 多家俄机构争聘请
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 20 14:11:54 2013, 美东)
综合外媒报道，“棱镜”项目揭秘者斯诺登日前向俄罗斯移民局递交临时庇护申请
，如果俄方接受文件，他便可离开莫斯科机场过境区。协助斯诺登的律师库切连纳表示
，斯诺登正学习俄罗斯字母，并有包括研究所在内的多间俄罗斯机构向他提供职位。
报道说，库切连纳称，俄移民局发出受理文件后，斯诺登便会获准暂时入境俄罗斯
，并可自由行动。目前，莫斯科一家名为Vector的研究所表示，一旦斯诺登获临时庇护
，便向他提供全职工作，但报道没介绍这家研究所的性质。
库切连纳表示，他已送了一本配图的俄语书给斯诺登，让他学习俄语字母，“他非
常高兴，说是抵达这里(莫斯科机场)后收到的首份礼物。”库切连纳说，机场过境区每
分钟都有航班广播，加上因安全理由不能拥有手机，令斯诺登承受沉重心理压力，但他
表现得非常坚强，当他知道将可离开机场，心情也轻松许多。 | t***o
发帖数: 4265 | 37 强烈纠正你的错误：胡温差劲。不是TG。TG政权早就被买办汉奸窃取了。
胡温本汉奸，差劲是自然的。自有史以来，可曾有汉奸不外F的？
【在 j****l 的大作中提到】
: 完全同意，再次证明了TG是多么的差劲的一个政权，嘴边的鸭子竟然让它飞到俄罗斯！
: ！！
| l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 38 http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/opinion/hayden-snowden-impact
Ex-CIA chief: What Edward Snowden did
By Michael Hayden, CNN Terrorism Analyst
updated 11:31 AM EDT, Fri July 19, 2013
Some did it for the money, some did it for idealism, others didn't do it at
all. The U.S. has seen a number of high profile leak scandals including the
Pentagon Papers during the administration of President Richard Nixon. Click
through to see more high-profile intelligence leaking cases. Some did it for
the money, some did it for idealism, others didn't do it at all. The U.S.
has seen a number of high profile leak scandals including the Pentagon
Papers during the administration of President Richard Nixon. Click through
to see more high-profile intelligence leaking cases.
Military analyst Daniel Ellsberg leaked the 7,000-page Pentagon Papers in 1971. The top-secret documents revealed that senior American leaders, including three presidents, knew the Vietnam War was an unwinnable, tragic quagmire. Further, they showed that the government had lied to Congress and the public about the progress of the war. Ellsberg surrendered to authorities and was charged as a spy. During his trial, the court learned that President Richard Nixon's administration had embarked on a campaign to discredit Ellsberg, illegally wiretapping him and breaking into his psychiatrist's office. All charges against him were dropped. Since then he has lived a relatively quiet life as a respected author and lecturer. Military analyst Daniel Ellsberg leaked the 7,000-page Pentagon Papers in 1971. The top-secret documents revealed that senior American leaders, including three presidents, knew the Vietnam War was an unwinnable, tragic quagmire. Further, they showed that the government had lied to Congress and the public about the progress of the war. Ellsberg surrendered to authorities and was charged as a spy. During his trial, the court learned that President Richard Nixon's administration had embarked on a campaign to discredit Ellsberg, illegally wiretapping him and breaking into his psychiatrist's office. All charges against him were dropped. Since then he has lived a relatively quiet life as a respected author and lecturer.
Jonathan Pollard is a divisive figure in U.S.-Israel relations. The former U
.S. Navy intelligence analyst was caught spying for Israel in 1985 and was
sentenced in 1987 to life imprisonment. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu has publicly called for President Barack Obama to release Pollard
after Pollard's wife appealed to Netanyahu. Jonathan Pollard is a divisive
figure in U.S.-Israel relations. The former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst
was caught spying for Israel in 1985 and was sentenced in 1987 to life
imprisonment. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly called
for President Barack Obama to release Pollard after Pollard's wife appealed
to Netanyahu.
Wen Ho Lee was a scientist at the Los Alamos Laboratory in New Mexico who
was charged with 59 counts of downloading classified information onto
computer tapes and passing it to China. Lee eventually agreed to plead
guilty to a since count of mishandling classified information after
prosecutors deemed their case to be too weak. He was released after nine
months in solitary confinement. Lee later received a $1.6 million in
separate settlements with the government and five news agencies after he
sued them, accusing the government of leaking damaging information about him
to the media. Wen Ho Lee was a scientist at the Los Alamos Laboratory in
New Mexico who was charged with 59 counts of downloading classified
information onto computer tapes and passing it to China. Lee eventually
agreed to plead guilty to a since count of mishandling classified
information after prosecutors deemed their case to be too weak. He was
released after nine months in solitary confinement. Lee later received a $1.
6 million in separate settlements with the government and five news agencies
after he sued them, accusing the government of leaking damaging information
about him to the media.
Members of the Bush administration were accused retaliating against Valerie
Plame, pictured, by blowing her cover in 2003 as a U.S. intelligence
operative, after her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, wrote a series
of New York Times op-eds questioning the basis of certain facts the
administration used to make the argument to go to war in Iraq. Members of
the Bush administration were accused retaliating against Valerie Plame,
pictured, by blowing her cover in 2003 as a U.S. intelligence operative,
after her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, wrote a series of New York
Times op-eds questioning the basis of certain facts the administration used
to make the argument to go to war in Iraq.
In 2007, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of
staff, was convicted on charges related to the leak of the identity of CIA
operative Valerie Plame. Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and
perjury in connection with the case. His 30-month sentence was commuted by
President George W. Bush. Cheney told a special prosecutor in 2004 that he
had no idea who leaked the information. In 2007, Lewis "Scooter" Libby,
Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, was convicted on charges
related to the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Libby
was convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury in connection with the
case. His 30-month sentence was commuted by President George W. Bush. Cheney
told a special prosecutor in 2004 that he had no idea who leaked the
information.
Aldrich Ames, a 31-year CIA employee, pleaded guilty to espionage charges in
1994 and was sentenced to life in prison. Ames was a CIA case worker who
specialized in Soviet intelligence services and had been passing classified
information to the KGB since 1985. U.S. intelligence officials believe that
information passed along by Ames led to the arrest and execution of Russian
officials they had recruited to spy for them. Aldrich Ames, a 31-year CIA
employee, pleaded guilty to espionage charges in 1994 and was sentenced to
life in prison. Ames was a CIA case worker who specialized in Soviet
intelligence services and had been passing classified information to the KGB
since 1985. U.S. intelligence officials believe that information passed
along by Ames led to the arrest and execution of Russian officials they had
recruited to spy for them.
Robert Hanssen pleaded guilty to espionage charges in 2001 in return for the
government not seeking the death penalty. Hanssen began spying for the
Soviet Union in 1979, three years after going to work for the FBI and
prosecutors said he collected $1.4 million for the information he turned
over to the Cold War enemy. In 1981, Hanssen's wife caught him with
classified documents and convinced him to stop spying, but he started
passing secrets to the Soviets again four years later. In 1991, he broke off
relations with the KGB, but resumed his espionage career in 1999, this time
with the Russian Intelligence Service. He was arrested after making a drop
in a Virginia park in 2001. Robert Hanssen pleaded guilty to espionage
charges in 2001 in return for the government not seeking the death penalty.
Hanssen began spying for the Soviet Union in 1979, three years after going
to work for the FBI and prosecutors said he collected $1.4 million for the
information he turned over to the Cold War enemy. In 1981, Hanssen's wife
caught him with classified documents and convinced him to stop spying, but
he started passing secrets to the Soviets again four years later. In 1991,
he broke off relations with the KGB, but resumed his espionage career in
1999, this time with the Russian Intelligence Service. He was arrested after
making a drop in a Virginia park in 2001.
John Walker ran a father and son spy ring, passing classified material to
the Soviet Union from 1967 to 1985. Walker was a Navy communication
specialist with financial difficulties when he walked into the Soviet
Embassy and sold a piece of cyphering equipment. Navy and Defense officials
said that Walker enabled the Soviet Union to unscramble military
communications and pinpoint the location of U.S. submarines at all times. As
part of his plea deal, prosecutors promised leniency for Walker's son
Michael Walker, a former Navy seaman. John Walker ran a father and son spy
ring, passing classified material to the Soviet Union from 1967 to 1985.
Walker was a Navy communication specialist with financial difficulties when
he walked into the Soviet Embassy and sold a piece of cyphering equipment.
Navy and Defense officials said that Walker enabled the Soviet Union to
unscramble military communications and pinpoint the location of U.S.
submarines at all times. As part of his plea deal, prosecutors promised
leniency for Walker's son Michael Walker, a former Navy seaman.
Pfc. Bradley Manning is an Army intelligence specialist who is charged with
passing along classified material to WikiLeaks, a group that facilitates
anonymous leaking of secret information. Manning pleaded guilty to 10 of the
22 charges against him and could face 20 years in prison. But he pleaded
not guilty to the most serious charge, aiding U.S. enemies, which carries a
potential life sentence. Pfc. Bradley Manning is an Army intelligence
specialist who is charged with passing along classified material to
WikiLeaks, a group that facilitates anonymous leaking of secret information.
Manning pleaded guilty to 10 of the 22 charges against him and could face
20 years in prison. But he pleaded not guilty to the most serious charge,
aiding U.S. enemies, which carries a potential life sentence.
Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden revealed himself as the leaker of details of U.S. government surveillance programs run by the U.S. National Security Agency to track cell phone calls and monitor the e-mail and Internet traffic of virtually all Americans. Snowden fled to Hong Kong after copying one last set of documents and telling his boss he needed to go away for medical treatment. Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden revealed himself as the leaker of details of U.S. government surveillance programs run by the U.S. National Security Agency to track cell phone calls and monitor the e-mail and Internet traffic of virtually all Americans. Snowden fled to Hong Kong after copying one last set of documents and telling his boss he needed to go away for medical treatment.
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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Michael Hayden: Snowden will likely be most damaging leaker in American
history
He says the large trove of data reveals how America collects much of its
intelligence
Hayden says U.S. economic rivals will use it to disadvantage American
companies
He says other nations will doubt whether the U.S. can do anything in secret
Editor's note: Gen. Michael V. Hayden, a former NSA director who was
appointed by President George W. Bush as CIA director in 2006 and served
until February 2009, is a principal with the Chertoff Group, a security
consulting firm. He serves on the boards of several defense firms and is a
distinguished visiting professor at George Mason University.
(CNN) -- Edward Snowden will likely prove to be the most costly leaker of
American secrets in the history of the Republic.
I know that we have had our share of spies.
Benedict Arnold was bent on betraying the garrison at West Point to the
British during the Revolution. Klaus Fuchs and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
ferreted out nuclear secrets for the Russians. Aldrich Ames and Robert
Hanssen identified American penetrations for ultimate execution by the
Soviets.
We have also had our share of leakers.
Daniel Ellsberg copied thousands of pages of documents related to the
Vietnam War. Bradley Manning is accused of indiscriminately scoured the
Defense Department's SIPRNET (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network) for
all manner of military reports and diplomatic cables.
Michael Hayden
Michael Hayden
But Snowden is in a class by himself.
The secrets that Arnold wanted to betray fit into the heel of the boot of
his British case officer. The "atom bomb" spies reported out using secret
ink. Ellsberg was limited to the number of documents he could physically
Xerox. Manning, although fully empowered by digital media, had access only
to a secret level network housing largely tactical information.
Snowden fled to China with several computers' worth of data from NSANET, one
of the most highly classified and sensitive networks in American
intelligence. The damage is potentially so great that NSA has taken one of
its most respected senior operations officers off mission tasks to lead the
damage assessment effort.
In general terms, it's already clear Snowden's betrayal hurts in at least
three important ways.
First, there is the undeniable operational effect of informing adversaries
of American intelligence's tactics, techniques and procedures. Snowden's
disclosures go beyond the "what" of a particular secret or source. He is
busily revealing the "how" of American collection.
The Guardian newspaper's Glenn Greenwald, far more deserving of the Justice
Department's characterization of a co-conspirator than Fox's James Rosen
ever was, claims that Snowden has documents that comprise "basically the
instruction manual for how the NSA is built. ... [To prove] what he was
saying was true, he had to take ... very sensitive, detailed blueprints of
how the NSA does what they do."
Greenwald has disputed the notion that he aided Snowden, telling David
Gregory on NBC's "Meet the Press": "The assumption in your question, David,
is completely without evidence, the idea I've aided and abetted him in any
way."
And Michael Clemente, Fox News' executive vice president of news, has said,
"we are outraged to learn ... that James Rosen was named a criminal co-
conspirator for simply doing his job as a reporter."
Greenwald: Snowden is 'the classically responsible whistle-blower'
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Reporter: Snowden a responsible whistleblower
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Will Snowden release more intelligence?
Absent "rogue" U.S. action to silence him, Snowden has promised not to
reveal this data, but there are already reports of counterterrorism targets
changing their communications patterns. And I would lose all respect for
China's Ministry of State Security and Russia's FSB if they have not already
fully harvested Snowden's digital data trove.
As former director of CIA, I would claim that the top 20% of American
intelligence -- that exquisite insight into an enemy's intentions -- is
generally provided by human sources. But as a former director of NSA, I
would also suggest that the base 50% to 60% of American intelligence day in
and day out is provided by signals intelligence, the kinds of intercepted
communications that Snowden has so blithely put at risk.
But there is other damage, such as the undeniable economic punishment that
will be inflicted on American businesses for simply complying with American
law.
Others, most notably in Europe, will rend their garments in faux shock and
outrage that these firms have done this, all the while ignoring that these
very same companies, along with their European counterparts, behave the same
way when confronted with the lawful demands of European states.
The real purpose of those complaints is competitive economic advantage,
putting added burdens on or even disqualifying American firms competing in
Europe for the big data and cloud services that are at the cutting edge of
the global IT industry. Or, in the case of France, to slow negotiations on a
trans- Atlantic trade agreement that threatens the privileged position of
French agriculture, outrage more based on protecting the production of
cheese than preventing any alleged violation of privacy.
The third great harm of Snowden's efforts to date is the erosion of
confidence in the ability of the United States to do anything discreetly or
keep anything secret.
Manning's torrent of disclosures certainly caused great harm, but there was
at least the plausible defense that this was a one-off phenomenon, a
regrettable error we're aggressively correcting.
Snowden shows that we have fallen short and that the issue may be more
systemic rather than isolated. At least that's what I would fear if I were a
foreign intelligence chief approached by the Americans to do anything of
import.
Snowden seems undeterred by any of these consequences. After all, he
believes he is acting for a higher good -- an almost romantic attachment to
the merits of absolute transparency -- and he seems indifferent to the
legitimacy of any claims of national security.
The appropriate balance between liberty and security has bedeviled free
peoples, including Americans, for centuries. But it takes a special kind of
arrogance for this young man to believe that his moral judgment on the
dilemma suddenly trumps that of two (incredibly different) presidents, both
houses of the U.S. Congress, both political parties, the U.S. court system
and more than 30,000 of his co-workers.
Arrogant or not, Snowden has thrust into public view sensitive and
controversial espionage activities. So what of his facts, fictions and fears
and of the national debate that he claims he intended to stimulate? | N***Y
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【在 M******8 的大作中提到】
: 毛子捞了点镜花水月的“好处（是不是好处还不知道呢，闹不好雪花灯是破辽鬼）”，
: 几条黄俄走狗就好像他妈出嫁一样兴奋。
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