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【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: DeepThroatCN (Deep Throat of China), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 石毓智:贝志诚不敢说出的真相
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 19 01:38:07 2013, 美东)
侦破朱令案的一个关键点就是,谁是那次“五一窃案”的主谋,因为主谋要么是真凶,
要么是帮凶。
关于五一窃案的一个重要线索就是,是谁向朱令宿舍的所谓“最大嫌疑人”通风报信了
朱令被确诊铊中毒。从下面孙维、吴向军所述材料可以判断出,是4月底吴向军来到朱
令宿舍告诉孙维等这个消息的。
然而在贝志诚的《现实不是童话》中,他藏匿起吴向军的这一重要举措,因为贝清楚把
这件事说出去的严重后果。然而,欲盖弥彰,正是从吴向军和贝志诚的话语比对中,让
我们发现了真相。
本来,是贝志诚和吴向军两个人一起来到清华,贝志诚却指派吴向军一人到朱令宿舍,
自己则没有任何理由离开了。这一点很蹊跷,有三种可能:一是贝临时有急事离开了;
二是贝曾经到过朱令宿舍,怕被认出;三是(假如)五一窃案是贝亲自做的,不愿意让
其他人认出自己曾经来过这里,免得事后被识破。
在朱令父母已经报案,要求封锁朱令宿舍之后,贝志诚则大肆向清华张扬朱令被确诊铊
中毒,并来到朱令宿舍告诉孙维等这一消息,获得了五一期间宿舍同学外出旅游,五一
假期就发生离奇窃案。在贝志诚的叙述中又刻意隐藏他们到清华的行踪,避而不谈是他
们泄露了人命关天的机密,这非常说明问题。
附:孙维、吴向军和贝志诚的有关叙述
孙维《关于朱令案的一些传言》(2006):朱令94年底生病,一直不能确诊,一度病
危,95年4月底北大的一名同学来到我们宿舍告诉我们说朱令被确诊为铊中毒,他们
收到太多的电邮回信,希望我们帮忙翻译。
吴向军《加拿大枫叶论坛文章》(2002年3月5日):我记得,因为缺少人手,有一个周
末我去清华找她的同学增援,没有人表现出兴趣。相反,他们刻意保持距离。这种冷漠
刺伤了我们。以后我们再也没有和他们联系过。朱令宿舍她喝水的杯子充满了铊(我记
得)。显然她是被身边的人所毒害。主要的嫌疑人是她的室友,虽然未被证实。
贝志诚《现实不是童话》(2012):我和吴向军跑到清华找朱令的同学求援希望翻译一
下邮件找出有用的信息,那是五一前的一个下午,我们听说朱令所在的物化二班在上课
我就先回来留下吴向军在那里等。晚上他回到宿舍怒气冲冲地说:这是什么变态班啊。
原来他等到两名物化二班的女生,说明来意后这两位同学居然说“我们明天都订好了五
一出去旅游,实在没时间翻译”,然后他又找其他同学被领到了那位后来替嫌疑人辩护
非常积极的物化二班的团支书那里,当时他带着吴向军找了辅导员,态度倒不错,然后
吴反复叮嘱说尽快翻译一定交给我们处理,综合意见后交给协和,他们满口答应。(后
来我们再也没见到这些邮件,据这位支书多年后宣称他们直接转给协和了,但朱令的家
属从未从协和听说过此事)
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原贴 ( 2002.3.7 20:30, archived, 此帖应是吴向军的)
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I witnessed the whole thing (zhuan)
by fraserbank (mike) at 2002.3.7 20:30 (#393955@0)
More about Zhu Ling's case
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送交者: wuxj 于 March 05, 2002 22:16:14:
I was the roommate of Bei Zhicheng and Cai Quanqing in Beida. I witnessed
the whole thing and was among the numerous people who provided help. I
remembered the names of Xin Li and Dr. Aldis. Li’s website in UCLA is
extremely organized and contains most of the information. All the facts in
Yuan’s long article were pretty much accurate except his/her imagination
about the relationship between the two daughters’ tragedy of Zhu’s family
was never confirmed.
There are quite a few things that are significant in this event: Internet,
telemedicine, medical accident due to the ego of doctor(s) in PUMC, murder,
struggle of a devastated family, etc. In fact, the publicity of this event
made Internet a household name in the early 1995. I know many people in
China who first heard of Internet from this story. People from all over the
country sent letters to Bei and Cai asking for medical help year after this
event. However here I’d like to make some comments from a different point
of view.
The courage and perseverance of Bei when facing challenges and confronting
authorities. In China, no too many people have the guts to consistently
question the opinion of authorities like PUMC with little medical knowledge.
Getting help from Internet was easy comparing to the battles later on
fought with PUMC. Bei showed sound judgment and spirit of independence.
Although he didn’t finish school due to his own choice, I admire him as a
true Beidaer in this regard.
The help from numerous people. Bei was Zhu’s classmate in high school and
they hadn’t been in contact for years by them. Cai at that time was playing
around in Prof Chen Yaosong’s lab as a Sophomore student. He provided the
idea of Internet news groups and all that. 10 people lived in our room at
that time. We were all astonished by Bei’s description of Zhu’s symptom
after his visit to PUMC. Almost all of us were helping in this case. We sat
in front of the dummy terminals in the lab downloading the responses from
the Internet with a connection of 100bytes per second even in the midnight (
that was early 1995) and analyzed those letters in the dorm. With several
thousand responses, the analysis itself was quite a job. I was really moved
by the kind of helping spirit in my room, in the lab and, needlessly to say,
on the Internet. Prof Chen even gave us several hundred RMB to have a
decent meal. What a nice guy! However, Zhu Ling’s friends and classmates in
Tsinghua never contacted us to provide help. I remember I went to Tsinghua
asking for help from her fellow classmates in one weekend when we were
really short of hands. Nobody showed even a slice of interest. On the
contrary, they showed clear distance from this. That kind of coldness hurt
us so much. We never contacted them again. Thallium was all over Zhu Ling’s
drinking glass (as I remembered) in her room. She was clearly poisoned by
people close to her. The prime suspect was her classmate although never
convicted. I still wonder how her roommates and classmates could live with
that! This kind of feeling grew stronger over time as I understand more and
more about humans. I am not really into the debate over the superiority
between Tsinghua and Beida. But I have no doubt that Bedaers, not Peking
University, in a sense, will always be the conscience of China.
Seven years has passed. Now I am sitting in front of my computer in an
office in the Silicon Valley. I have changed a lot. However, I wonder
whether the result would be different should this case happen again in China
today. If some day somebody wants to make a movie or write a book about
this, I would like the book or movie to be about the nature of human beings,
not just about Internet, a murder case, or a medical accident.
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你不用费劲了。孙黑们根本不在乎这些,他们只消停的3次。
一次是李敖也翻译了大麦歌。
一次是帮助朱令微薄辟谣说朱令父母没有接受外媒采访。
一次是LA TIMES的头版。

【在 D**********N 的大作中提到】
: bump
D**********N
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这次有很大不同,国内不少人开始怀疑当时办案公安的破案思路,觉得可能是被人有意
误导,而且贝志诚的嫌疑也很大,尤其是《大麦歌》之后贝志诚在高中喜欢拿读过的文
学作品来装逼这是在网上被贝的高中同学透露出来。

【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你不用费劲了。孙黑们根本不在乎这些,他们只消停的3次。
: 一次是李敖也翻译了大麦歌。
: 一次是帮助朱令微薄辟谣说朱令父母没有接受外媒采访。
: 一次是LA TIMES的头版。

D**********N
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三联生活周刊"朱令案延伸的十八年追问"值得一读。
有个细节值得深思,当年办案的警察,同学等基本都不接受采访。如果是我,我也不会
接受采访:万一暴民们对我说的不满意,那简直就是地狱。扯上正义的大旗,铺天盖地
,动地而来。
暴民们极好传承了文革中的捕风捉影,要找出点可疑的东西太容易了。哪怕只有万分之
一的可能,我也不会冒险。
所以,暴民们的所为实际正在阻碍我们知道更多的真相
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让贝铊粉们生气吧
D**********N
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继续给贝铊粉们填堵……
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再戳戳贝铊粉的皮。
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石毓智 has been a proven 大蠢驴 since very long long ago...
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