s**s
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s**s
发帖数: 929 | 2 Chinese officials increasingly doubt the usefulness of neighbouring North
Korea as an ally and would support the reunification of the peninsula if the
communist state were to collapse, according to leaked US diplomatic cables.
The latest documents released by the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks on
Tuesday detail conversations between US officials and Chinese diplomats, as
well as a senior South Korean official's discussion with his Chinese counterparts.
Cheng Guoping, the Chinese ambassador to Kazakhstan, was reported to have
told Richard Hoagland, the US ambassador, that "China hopes for peaceful
reunification in the long-term, but he expects the two countries to remain
separate in the short-term".
The remarks were made during a three-hour dinner in Astana, Kazakhstan's
capital, in June 2009, according to documents published on WikiLeaks website.
Guoping was quoted as telling Hoagland that China's objectives in North
Korea were to ensure they honour their commitments on non-proliferation,
maintain stability, and "don’t drive [Kim Jong-il] mad".
Pyongyang's protector
The cable said that Guoping suggested that Kim Jong-il’s decision to anoint
his youngest son as his successor was driven more by Kim's deteriorating
health than any carefully planned strategy.
"They had no time to plan for this," he was quoted as saying, adding that
Kim Jong-il's announcement was designed to send a message to the military
that he held the power.
Beijing has long been considered Pyongyang's protector, as seen during the
recent crisis over the shelling of a South Korean island close to a disputed
maritime border in the Yellow Sea.
In the aftermath of the incident, which left at least four people dead and
saw both nations increase their military readiness, Washington appealed
to Beijing to rein in the North. China responded by calling for a meeting
of world powers to diffuse tensions.
But in another cable from Seoul, South Korea's capital, the country's then
vice-foreign minister was quoted as telling Kathleen Stephens, the US
ambassador, that two high-level Chinese officials told him they
"believed Korea should be unified under ROK [South Korea] control".
Chun Yung-woo, now the national security advisor to South Korea's president,
said that the younger generation of Communist leaders in Beijing did
not regard North Korea as a useful or reliable ally and would not risk a
renewal of armed conflict on the Korean peninsula, the cable said.
Those younger leaders, Chun said, "would be comfortable with a reunited
Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the United States in a benign alliance".
He reportedly dismissed the prospect of Chinese military intervention in the
event of North Korea's collapse, noting that China’s strategic economic
interests now lie with the United States, Japan, and South Korea, not
with North Korea.
Chun was quoted as saying that he believed that the North would cease to
function as a state within three years of Kim Jong-il's death and said Beijing
had "no will" to use its economic leverage to change the country's political policies.
Chinese 'conundrum'
Andrew Leung, the chairman and CEO of International Consultants Limited in
Hong Kong, told Al Jazeera China was in a "conundrum" over the future of North Korea.
"China doesn't want to cause an immediate collapse of the regime and force
reunification because a divided Korea could at least provide a possible
buffer against encirclement," he said.
"An immediate collapse of North Korea could also not be good for South Korea
. If you look at the unification of the two Germany's, you have got to wait
until the conditions are right and it could drag down the economy in South
Korea quite dramatically."
The diplomatic memos were released as North Korea announced details of an
expanded nuclear programme, saying it has thousands of working centrifuges
in a new uranium enrichment plant.
In the cable from the US ambassador to Kazakhstan, China's Guoping described
the North's nuclear programme as "very troublesome".
He said that China "opposes North Korea's nuclear testing and is working to
achieve peace and stability on the Korean peninsula," the cable said.
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是Kazakhstan中国大使Cheng Guoping？
: 整篇文章基本就是他在爆料，而且引用的都是他对美国大使说得原话
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: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
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f*****e
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m*******e
发帖数: 21667 | 4 你给翻译翻译，然后总结一下。原文太长。
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是Kazakhstan中国大使Cheng Guoping？
: 整篇文章基本就是他在爆料，而且引用的都是他对美国大使说得原话
: －－－－－－
: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
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y****g
发帖数: 36950 | 5 "China hopes for peaceful reunification in the long-term, but he expects
the two countries to remain separate in the short-term".
这么说话政治正确啊，你总不能对外人说我一直希望某国分裂吧？至少要虚伪点表现一
下善意吧！客套一下也是必要的啊
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是Kazakhstan中国大使Cheng Guoping？
: 整篇文章基本就是他在爆料，而且引用的都是他对美国大使说得原话
: －－－－－－
: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
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m*******e
发帖数: 21667 | 6 实在不明白wikileak拿出来，有些人high个什么劲儿
【在 y****g 的大作中提到】
: "China hopes for peaceful reunification in the long-term, but he expects
: the two countries to remain separate in the short-term".
: 这么说话政治正确啊，你总不能对外人说我一直希望某国分裂吧？至少要虚伪点表现一
: 下善意吧！客套一下也是必要的啊
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c********x
发帖数: 2905 | 7 好像是蒋干盗书巴，告诉南韩，和平统一是没问题的。
【在 f*****e 的大作中提到】
: 站在中国人的立场上，这个大使绝对是脑残
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s**********w
发帖数: 866 | 8 好不容易有个机会添油加醋挑拨发挥一下, 当然要high了.
【在 m*******e 的大作中提到】
: 实在不明白wikileak拿出来，有些人high个什么劲儿
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y****g
发帖数: 36950 | 9 是啊，至少和韩国也是邦交国，还要做生意，难道说我希望你们永远分裂吗？
作为外交人员，哄人说点开心的话是必须的吧！美国人也不会到处去说希望大陆和台湾
永远分裂吧！虽然他们肯定是那么想的
【在 m*******e 的大作中提到】
: 实在不明白wikileak拿出来，有些人high个什么劲儿
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m*******e
发帖数: 21667 | 10 替美帝解套？
【在 s**********w 的大作中提到】
: 好不容易有个机会添油加醋挑拨发挥一下, 当然要high了.
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m*******e
发帖数: 21667 | 11 你就是跟朝鲜人说让半岛永远分裂，人家也不乐意啊，要不然当年也没必要打南方啊。
想法是一回事儿，说是另外一回事儿，至于做，那就更不是一回事儿了。
【在 y****g 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，至少和韩国也是邦交国，还要做生意，难道说我希望你们永远分裂吗？
: 作为外交人员，哄人说点开心的话是必须的吧！美国人也不会到处去说希望大陆和台湾
: 永远分裂吧！虽然他们肯定是那么想的
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s**r
发帖数: 6678 | 12 这句话时官面话，没错啊。真实的意思在but之后，之前的不算数的。
【在 y****g 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，至少和韩国也是邦交国，还要做生意，难道说我希望你们永远分裂吗？
: 作为外交人员，哄人说点开心的话是必须的吧！美国人也不会到处去说希望大陆和台湾
: 永远分裂吧！虽然他们肯定是那么想的
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s**r
发帖数: 6678 | 13 造谣传谣，等你辟谣了，人家开辟新的造谣传谣阵地去了。老伎俩了。
【在 m*******e 的大作中提到】
: 实在不明白wikileak拿出来，有些人high个什么劲儿
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s**s
发帖数: 929 | 14 以下是Cheng Guoping原话：
1）中国希望朝鲜半岛最终统一，但是在近期内保持分裂状态
2）中国处理朝鲜事务的原则是保证朝鲜（核）不扩散，保持稳定，不要把（金正日）
给逼疯了
3）金正日托孤不是长期交接战略，而是正日健康问题所迫。金同学的时日不多了。
4）北韩的核计划是非常令人头痛的。我们反对朝鲜核试验，并努力维持朝鲜半岛的和
平和稳定
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应大帅要求，做简陋的翻译。如有不妥的地方，请指正。 |
s**r
发帖数: 6678 | 15 俺来按俺的理解说一下：
1. 朝鲜半岛近期你就别指望统一了
2. 我们要让朝鲜保持稳定，你们少来打酱油了。
3. 政权交接是突发事件。——这个不好解读，哎！
4. 我们也反对朝核啊，咱一条战壕里的；但是必须维持朝鲜半岛和平稳定。
觉得一直在反复强调维持朝鲜现状啊。
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】
: 以下是Cheng Guoping原话：
: 1）中国希望朝鲜半岛最终统一，但是在近期内保持分裂状态
: 2）中国处理朝鲜事务的原则是保证朝鲜（核）不扩散，保持稳定，不要把（金正日）
: 给逼疯了
: 3）金正日托孤不是长期交接战略，而是正日健康问题所迫。金同学的时日不多了。
: 4）北韩的核计划是非常令人头痛的。我们反对朝鲜核试验，并努力维持朝鲜半岛的和
: 平和稳定
: －－－
: 应大帅要求，做简陋的翻译。如有不妥的地方，请指正。
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c********x
发帖数: 2905 | 16 恩，没看出政治错误，倒看出TG阴暗的四处钻营，有当年策反非嫡系蒋军的无耻劲儿。
【在 s**r 的大作中提到】
: 俺来按俺的理解说一下：
: 1. 朝鲜半岛近期你就别指望统一了
: 2. 我们要让朝鲜保持稳定，你们少来打酱油了。
: 3. 政权交接是突发事件。——这个不好解读，哎！
: 4. 我们也反对朝核啊，咱一条战壕里的；但是必须维持朝鲜半岛和平稳定。
: 觉得一直在反复强调维持朝鲜现状啊。
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s**r
发帖数: 6678 | 17 官场话，本来就听弦外音的。
【在 c********x 的大作中提到】
: 恩，没看出政治错误，倒看出TG阴暗的四处钻营，有当年策反非嫡系蒋军的无耻劲儿。
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M*****c
发帖数: 3306 | 18 即便是说真话，只要不违反保密的规定的话，不违反外交官纪律的话，应该不至于就完
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 19 也许他们说的，就是中央领导的意见。
【在 M*****c 的大作中提到】
: 即便是说真话，只要不违反保密的规定的话，不违反外交官纪律的话，应该不至于就完
: 蛋了吧。毕竟还是得有不同的意见的。
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M*****c
发帖数: 3306 | 20 大使一句话都没说错啊，主要就是两点：
China hopes for peaceful reunification in the long-term, but he expects the
two countries to remain separate in the short-term
China's objectives in North Korea were to ensure they honour their
commitments on non-proliferation,maintain stability, and "don’t drive [Kim
Jong-il] mad". |
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g*****c
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z***t
发帖数: 10817 | 22 CIA的专家怎么不读读三国
感恩节deal单位给发看多啊 |
p********6
发帖数: 1802 | 23 这个时候爆这料，让南棒很为难啊
【在 s**s 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是Kazakhstan中国大使Cheng Guoping？
: 整篇文章基本就是他在爆料，而且引用的都是他对美国大使说得原话
: －－－－－－
: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
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s**r
发帖数: 6678 | 24 南棒为难的地方多了
这次挨了这么多炮，还不知道咋收场呢
【在 p********6 的大作中提到】
: 这个时候爆这料，让南棒很为难啊
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