z**********1
发帖数: 32 | 1 My girlfriend is graduating this summer from 安徽医科大学after successfully
completing her 7 year program (masters/md) focusing in oncology. She
currently has a offer to stay on as a full time staff member.
A few questions:
1) I've already researched the USMLE/ECFMG road and it is my understanding
that this would be about a 7~ year road. Is this correct? Last time I
checked, the percentage of Chinese IMGs were very low in the states, roughly
3.5%. What residency programs are more partially favourable to CMGs? Whats
life like for CMG residents?
2) Other than continuing down the MD route, what are other viable
alternatives？ Nurse Practitioner? Physician Assistant? Changing career
focus to something else?
3) Has anyone successfully been able to come out on a 访问学者status? I've
been looking into this as well, however since neither of us know any
University professors, is there any other way to get this status? Are there
any other options? We looked into just a simple travel visa, but felt that
the chances of being rejected were very high.
4) Lastly, would anyone advise against her leaving? If so, what are you
reasons? For those of you that have done this, has it been worth it?
It would be great to hear back from any individuals/couples that have been
through this already.
Thanks for your time. |
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 2 Hello, Mr. Zhang:
I have written multiple posts on this in the medicalcareer forum. Too bad
they were all deleted and I was banned forever from the forum for it.
Too make a long story short, you are right in your assessment that it is 7 yr
minimum from opening the first page of 1st aid to finishing residency.
Good alternatives:
1. Pharmacy school. My friend who majored in French got her PharmD in 5 yrs
. It is a very good career. With a degree from the US, you dont have to
beg around as if you are a 2nd class citizen. $100K to count pills in a
pharmacy. $150K at a hospital. Could go to $200-250K to work for a
pharmaceutical company if she is good at people skills. This BTW is more
than what an average physician makes.
2.Dental school. $500K or more if she specializes. Just think about it.
It is mind blowing how much money the specialists make. $3000/hr for
implants. $1500/hr for root canal retreatment.
Of course, it is a moot point if she hates both career choices. If she is
open-minded, both are much better than going down the residency route.
Trust me on this.
Residency route is a beaten path. I know someone who matched into Yale in 1994 after finishing his Ph.D. It takes much longer time and involves more uncertainties. The only bright side is the tuition saving which is really penuts when you make $500K/yr as a periodontist or an endodontist.
successfully
roughly
Whats
【在 z**********1 的大作中提到】
: My girlfriend is graduating this summer from 安徽医科大学after successfully
: completing her 7 year program (masters/md) focusing in oncology. She
: currently has a offer to stay on as a full time staff member.
: A few questions:
: 1) I've already researched the USMLE/ECFMG road and it is my understanding
: that this would be about a 7~ year road. Is this correct? Last time I
: checked, the percentage of Chinese IMGs were very low in the states, roughly
: 3.5%. What residency programs are more partially favourable to CMGs? Whats
: life like for CMG residents?
: 2) Other than continuing down the MD route, what are other viable
|
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 3 试着回答：
1. 考Board之路未必要7年，牛人们一年就能考完step 1, 2, 2cs，各个specialty的住
院医时间不同，没有可比性。哪个program对CMG态度好？难说。一个人的performance
是赢得大家信任的最重要因素。
2. NP，PA都要进老美的学校里重新上学，前途也还是不错的，如果你女朋友不是那种
“The buck stops here"的人，NP、PA比做医生责任和压力都相对小一些。
3. J1 visa？只要找到有人接收就可以办，但是有两年服务的要求，就是签证期满必须
回国两年，除非申请waiver。很多人拿J1来做post-doc。
4. 不知道国内的行情，离开的时间太长了。 |
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 4 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
join me
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
MATCHED.
performance
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 试着回答：
: 1. 考Board之路未必要7年，牛人们一年就能考完step 1, 2, 2cs，各个specialty的住
: 院医时间不同，没有可比性。哪个program对CMG态度好？难说。一个人的performance
: 是赢得大家信任的最重要因素。
: 2. NP，PA都要进老美的学校里重新上学，前途也还是不错的，如果你女朋友不是那种
: “The buck stops here"的人，NP、PA比做医生责任和压力都相对小一些。
: 3. J1 visa？只要找到有人接收就可以办，但是有两年服务的要求，就是签证期满必须
: 回国两年，除非申请waiver。很多人拿J1来做post-doc。
: 4. 不知道国内的行情，离开的时间太长了。
|
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 5 不能match上有很多原因，面试的performance是最大的问题，过于谦虚和过于自信都会
造成失败。考分是在ERAS众多申请人中被选中面试的硬指标，最重要的还是面试时的表
现。个人意见，如果大家能够花那么多时间来考试，就一定要花时间来准备面试。
第一次没有match，第二次的申请就应该有比第一次明显的进步和提高，这样program才
会考虑。当然，如果考了99/99/99，就认为自己一定能进最好的program，这个态度有
点儿问题。match跟一场战争一样，知己知彼方能百战百胜。
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
: 标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
: join me
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
: A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
: matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
: 226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
: Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
: me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
: MATCHED.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 6 My points are still valid:
Uncertainties (for whatever reasons) and much longer time than working on a
new degree.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 不能match上有很多原因，面试的performance是最大的问题，过于谦虚和过于自信都会
: 造成失败。考分是在ERAS众多申请人中被选中面试的硬指标，最重要的还是面试时的表
: 现。个人意见，如果大家能够花那么多时间来考试，就一定要花时间来准备面试。
: 第一次没有match，第二次的申请就应该有比第一次明显的进步和提高，这样program才
: 会考虑。当然，如果考了99/99/99，就认为自己一定能进最好的program，这个态度有
: 点儿问题。match跟一场战争一样，知己知彼方能百战百胜。
|
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 7 不是每个人都能一下子拍出几十万学费的。
a
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: My points are still valid:
: Uncertainties (for whatever reasons) and much longer time than working on a
: new degree.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 8 I dont get why you debate with me on this. If he cant afford it, or cant
get loans, then try something else. I simply pointed out the best routes
for him. This aside, you need to open your eyes. There are tons of Chinese
families that are sending their children to private universities around the
world.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 不是每个人都能一下子拍出几十万学费的。
:
: a
|
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 9 没有跟你debate，你认为是best way，别人可能不认为是。你和我的对话就证明了这个
，对不对？楼主可以接受你的建议，也可以听听我的意见，也可以听听别人不同的意见
，您说不是吗？
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: I dont get why you debate with me on this. If he cant afford it, or cant
: get loans, then try something else. I simply pointed out the best routes
: for him. This aside, you need to open your eyes. There are tons of Chinese
: families that are sending their children to private universities around the
: world.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 10 If the gf can finish step 1 and 2 in a year, her bf would not come here and
ask for advice. If they dont have means to get loans, they would know D or
P is not for them. You are arguing with me for the sake of arguing with me.
No hard feelings.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 没有跟你debate，你认为是best way，别人可能不认为是。你和我的对话就证明了这个
: ，对不对？楼主可以接受你的建议，也可以听听我的意见，也可以听听别人不同的意见
: ，您说不是吗？
|
|
|
a********e
发帖数: 3771 | 11 He actually got promised PREMATCH for next year into RADIOLOGY in a UNIV
MED CENTER!
please
not
shoot
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
: 标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
: join me
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
: A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
: matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
: 226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
: Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
: me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
: MATCHED.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 12 How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
cup of tea, it is a moot point.
【在 a********e 的大作中提到】
: He actually got promised PREMATCH for next year into RADIOLOGY in a UNIV
: MED CENTER!
:
: please
: not
: shoot
|
a********e
发帖数: 3771 | 13 not of your business. believe or not. one suggestion for you is to mind your
own business and get yours done before you lose interest.
over
his
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
: 500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
: cup of tea, it is a moot point.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 14 Like wise. Believe it or not, why dont you get lost?
your
【在 a********e 的大作中提到】
: not of your business. believe or not. one suggestion for you is to mind your
: own business and get yours done before you lose interest.
:
: over
: his
|
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 15 Nothing is that easy, first of all dental school is not only expensive, it'
s very difficult to get admitted. 2nd, dentist don't make nearly as much. an
endodontist is like a fellowship after dental school. to make 500k, you
most likely need to have a successful business - not just have a license.
I used to date a dentist, an american. I helped her run the practice and
know first hand how much they make.
over
his
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
: 500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
: cup of tea, it is a moot point.
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 16 Nothing is easy. So true. Some dentists make more than 500K. You can do
some volunteer work, go get a master degree, have kids while sitting back
waiting for a school to take you. It is always good to have more options.
We all agree here: if you can get in either of the P, D or M, you are set
for life, right? Now, for the majority of us, whatever we can get our feet
into is good.
it'
an
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Nothing is that easy, first of all dental school is not only expensive, it'
: s very difficult to get admitted. 2nd, dentist don't make nearly as much. an
: endodontist is like a fellowship after dental school. to make 500k, you
: most likely need to have a successful business - not just have a license.
: I used to date a dentist, an american. I helped her run the practice and
: know first hand how much they make.
:
: over
: his
|
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 17 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
内的5年时光
2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
受骗上当了。 |
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 18 Here are two career ranking lists:
1.
A. Match.
B. Academia.
C. Industry.
D. D-school.
2.
A. D-school.
B. Match.
C. Industry.
D. Academia.
For the people who are given list 1, they spend 3 yrs preparing for the
tests with 40% chance to match in the first year. 40% of unmatched for 2
yrs in a row. After 6 yrs, looking back, they might tell themselves. WTF!
I could have graduated already from a dental school or a pharmacy school!!!!
For the people who are given list 2, they tell themselves, No money, No GC
in the next 2-3 yrs, move on the choice 2. Or they say, my spouse will get
GC in 2 yrs, hence student loans, let me try choice A. 2 months of
preparing for the entrance exam. And start to do some volunteering work
which is useful for match, English, and cultural adaptation. Then, he will
apply for a master degree, or a nursing degree. Two years later, cant get
in any dental or pharmacy school. Come back to prepare for USMLEs. Time
not wasted. Cause his English has improved, and have a couple of LORs in
hands. Continue applying for dental or pharmacy schools while studying for
USMLEs. Whichever comes first, he will jump on it. He gives himself more
outs by doing so. And he will thank me for it.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 19 The bottom line is the initial investment in time and money and opportunity
cost is much lower for D or P. Not a big deal if it does not work out for
you.
The initial investment is much much higher for the USMLE route. If it does
not pan out, you will be hating life.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
|
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 20 D cat or M cat, whatever can bring you the dough is a good cat
.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
|
|
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 21 想起了社会主义初级阶段的生存权还是发展权的问题。
眼前利益， 生存权；
长远利益， 发展权；
上面的帖子真的都很有道理。 人在中国，有一份工作， 想的肯定是发展权； 如果这
个发展权是到美国发展，这个发展权就得重新调整了。
我个人意见， 眼光还是要长远一点， 做自己喜欢的事。
一辈子最苦最恨的事就是后悔。 |
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 22 吼吼，我这个人，做了某个决定就不断告诉自己那个决定是对的，然后就没有什么后悔
的了。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 想起了社会主义初级阶段的生存权还是发展权的问题。
: 眼前利益， 生存权；
: 长远利益， 发展权；
: 上面的帖子真的都很有道理。 人在中国，有一份工作， 想的肯定是发展权； 如果这
: 个发展权是到美国发展，这个发展权就得重新调整了。
: 我个人意见， 眼光还是要长远一点， 做自己喜欢的事。
: 一辈子最苦最恨的事就是后悔。
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 23 对， 做一个死不改悔的走资派： 人生的终极意境。：）
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 吼吼，我这个人，做了某个决定就不断告诉自己那个决定是对的，然后就没有什么后悔
: 的了。
|
z**********1
发帖数: 32 | 24 My girlfriend is graduating this summer from 安徽医科大学after successfully
completing her 7 year program (masters/md) focusing in oncology. She
currently has a offer to stay on as a full time staff member.
A few questions:
1) I've already researched the USMLE/ECFMG road and it is my understanding
that this would be about a 7~ year road. Is this correct? Last time I
checked, the percentage of Chinese IMGs were very low in the states, roughly
3.5%. What residency programs are more partially favourable to CMGs? Whats
life like for CMG residents?
2) Other than continuing down the MD route, what are other viable
alternatives？ Nurse Practitioner? Physician Assistant? Changing career
focus to something else?
3) Has anyone successfully been able to come out on a 访问学者status? I've
been looking into this as well, however since neither of us know any
University professors, is there any other way to get this status? Are there
any other options? We looked into just a simple travel visa, but felt that
the chances of being rejected were very high.
4) Lastly, would anyone advise against her leaving? If so, what are you
reasons? For those of you that have done this, has it been worth it?
It would be great to hear back from any individuals/couples that have been
through this already.
Thanks for your time. |
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 25 Hello, Mr. Zhang:
I have written multiple posts on this in the medicalcareer forum. Too bad
they were all deleted and I was banned forever from the forum for it.
Too make a long story short, you are right in your assessment that it is 7 yr
minimum from opening the first page of 1st aid to finishing residency.
Good alternatives:
1. Pharmacy school. My friend who majored in French got her PharmD in 5 yrs
. It is a very good career. With a degree from the US, you dont have to
beg around as if you are a 2nd class citizen. $100K to count pills in a
pharmacy. $150K at a hospital. Could go to $200-250K to work for a
pharmaceutical company if she is good at people skills. This BTW is more
than what an average physician makes.
2.Dental school. $500K or more if she specializes. Just think about it.
It is mind blowing how much money the specialists make. $3000/hr for
implants. $1500/hr for root canal retreatment.
Of course, it is a moot point if she hates both career choices. If she is
open-minded, both are much better than going down the residency route.
Trust me on this.
Residency route is a beaten path. I know someone who matched into Yale in 1994 after finishing his Ph.D. It takes much longer time and involves more uncertainties. The only bright side is the tuition saving which is really penuts when you make $500K/yr as a periodontist or an endodontist.
successfully
roughly
Whats
【在 z**********1 的大作中提到】
: My girlfriend is graduating this summer from 安徽医科大学after successfully
: completing her 7 year program (masters/md) focusing in oncology. She
: currently has a offer to stay on as a full time staff member.
: A few questions:
: 1) I've already researched the USMLE/ECFMG road and it is my understanding
: that this would be about a 7~ year road. Is this correct? Last time I
: checked, the percentage of Chinese IMGs were very low in the states, roughly
: 3.5%. What residency programs are more partially favourable to CMGs? Whats
: life like for CMG residents?
: 2) Other than continuing down the MD route, what are other viable
|
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 26 试着回答：
1. 考Board之路未必要7年，牛人们一年就能考完step 1, 2, 2cs，各个specialty的住
院医时间不同，没有可比性。哪个program对CMG态度好？难说。一个人的performance
是赢得大家信任的最重要因素。
2. NP，PA都要进老美的学校里重新上学，前途也还是不错的，如果你女朋友不是那种
“The buck stops here"的人，NP、PA比做医生责任和压力都相对小一些。
3. J1 visa？只要找到有人接收就可以办，但是有两年服务的要求，就是签证期满必须
回国两年，除非申请waiver。很多人拿J1来做post-doc。
4. 不知道国内的行情，离开的时间太长了。 |
D****r
发帖数: 162 | 27 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
join me
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
MATCHED.
performance
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 试着回答：
: 1. 考Board之路未必要7年，牛人们一年就能考完step 1, 2, 2cs，各个specialty的住
: 院医时间不同，没有可比性。哪个program对CMG态度好？难说。一个人的performance
: 是赢得大家信任的最重要因素。
: 2. NP，PA都要进老美的学校里重新上学，前途也还是不错的，如果你女朋友不是那种
: “The buck stops here"的人，NP、PA比做医生责任和压力都相对小一些。
: 3. J1 visa？只要找到有人接收就可以办，但是有两年服务的要求，就是签证期满必须
: 回国两年，除非申请waiver。很多人拿J1来做post-doc。
: 4. 不知道国内的行情，离开的时间太长了。
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f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 28 不能match上有很多原因，面试的performance是最大的问题，过于谦虚和过于自信都会
造成失败。考分是在ERAS众多申请人中被选中面试的硬指标，最重要的还是面试时的表
现。个人意见，如果大家能够花那么多时间来考试，就一定要花时间来准备面试。
第一次没有match，第二次的申请就应该有比第一次明显的进步和提高，这样program才
会考虑。当然，如果考了99/99/99，就认为自己一定能进最好的program，这个态度有
点儿问题。match跟一场战争一样，知己知彼方能百战百胜。
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
: 标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
: join me
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
: A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
: matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
: 226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
: Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
: me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
: MATCHED.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 29 My points are still valid:
Uncertainties (for whatever reasons) and much longer time than working on a
new degree.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 不能match上有很多原因，面试的performance是最大的问题，过于谦虚和过于自信都会
: 造成失败。考分是在ERAS众多申请人中被选中面试的硬指标，最重要的还是面试时的表
: 现。个人意见，如果大家能够花那么多时间来考试，就一定要花时间来准备面试。
: 第一次没有match，第二次的申请就应该有比第一次明显的进步和提高，这样program才
: 会考虑。当然，如果考了99/99/99，就认为自己一定能进最好的program，这个态度有
: 点儿问题。match跟一场战争一样，知己知彼方能百战百胜。
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f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 30 不是每个人都能一下子拍出几十万学费的。
a
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: My points are still valid:
: Uncertainties (for whatever reasons) and much longer time than working on a
: new degree.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 31 I dont get why you debate with me on this. If he cant afford it, or cant
get loans, then try something else. I simply pointed out the best routes
for him. This aside, you need to open your eyes. There are tons of Chinese
families that are sending their children to private universities around the
world.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 不是每个人都能一下子拍出几十万学费的。
:
: a
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f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 32 没有跟你debate，你认为是best way，别人可能不认为是。你和我的对话就证明了这个
，对不对？楼主可以接受你的建议，也可以听听我的意见，也可以听听别人不同的意见
，您说不是吗？
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: I dont get why you debate with me on this. If he cant afford it, or cant
: get loans, then try something else. I simply pointed out the best routes
: for him. This aside, you need to open your eyes. There are tons of Chinese
: families that are sending their children to private universities around the
: world.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 33 If the gf can finish step 1 and 2 in a year, her bf would not come here and
ask for advice. If they dont have means to get loans, they would know D or
P is not for them. You are arguing with me for the sake of arguing with me.
No hard feelings.
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 没有跟你debate，你认为是best way，别人可能不认为是。你和我的对话就证明了这个
: ，对不对？楼主可以接受你的建议，也可以听听我的意见，也可以听听别人不同的意见
: ，您说不是吗？
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a********e
发帖数: 3771 | 34 He actually got promised PREMATCH for next year into RADIOLOGY in a UNIV
MED CENTER!
please
not
shoot
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: zhanghaowei4 (dahuaidan), 信区: MedicalCareer
: 标 题: Haha..Failed match twice..... Anyone who fails last yr match please
: join me
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 16 17:58:09 2011, 美东)
: A lot of people posted why I am matched. Never did anyone post why I was not
: matched. Graduation year: 2003, 3 yrs ortho in China. USMLE SCORE: 250/258/
: 226....Failed match twice....But got my US Ph.D. 20 days ago...No GC......
: Looking forward to next yr though...Still apply R...Never hesitate to shoot
: me an email to z**********[email protected] to inquire WHY THIS GUY CAN NOT BE
: MATCHED.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 35 How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
cup of tea, it is a moot point.
【在 a********e 的大作中提到】
: He actually got promised PREMATCH for next year into RADIOLOGY in a UNIV
: MED CENTER!
:
: please
: not
: shoot
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a********e
发帖数: 3771 | 36 not of your business. believe or not. one suggestion for you is to mind your
own business and get yours done before you lose interest.
over
his
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
: 500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
: cup of tea, it is a moot point.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 37 Like wise. Believe it or not, why dont you get lost?
your
【在 a********e 的大作中提到】
: not of your business. believe or not. one suggestion for you is to mind your
: own business and get yours done before you lose interest.
:
: over
: his
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 38 Nothing is that easy, first of all dental school is not only expensive, it'
s very difficult to get admitted. 2nd, dentist don't make nearly as much. an
endodontist is like a fellowship after dental school. to make 500k, you
most likely need to have a successful business - not just have a license.
I used to date a dentist, an american. I helped her run the practice and
know first hand how much they make.
over
his
【在 D****r 的大作中提到】
: How many years have passed since LZ came to the US? He could be making over
: 500K already as an endo. Of course, as I said many times, if it is not his
: cup of tea, it is a moot point.
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 39 Nothing is easy. So true. Some dentists make more than 500K. You can do
some volunteer work, go get a master degree, have kids while sitting back
waiting for a school to take you. It is always good to have more options.
We all agree here: if you can get in either of the P, D or M, you are set
for life, right? Now, for the majority of us, whatever we can get our feet
into is good.
it'
an
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Nothing is that easy, first of all dental school is not only expensive, it'
: s very difficult to get admitted. 2nd, dentist don't make nearly as much. an
: endodontist is like a fellowship after dental school. to make 500k, you
: most likely need to have a successful business - not just have a license.
: I used to date a dentist, an american. I helped her run the practice and
: know first hand how much they make.
:
: over
: his
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k********n
发帖数: 756 | 40 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
内的5年时光
2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
受骗上当了。 |
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 41 Here are two career ranking lists:
1.
A. Match.
B. Academia.
C. Industry.
D. D-school.
2.
A. D-school.
B. Match.
C. Industry.
D. Academia.
For the people who are given list 1, they spend 3 yrs preparing for the
tests with 40% chance to match in the first year. 40% of unmatched for 2
yrs in a row. After 6 yrs, looking back, they might tell themselves. WTF!
I could have graduated already from a dental school or a pharmacy school!!!!
For the people who are given list 2, they tell themselves, No money, No GC
in the next 2-3 yrs, move on the choice 2. Or they say, my spouse will get
GC in 2 yrs, hence student loans, let me try choice A. 2 months of
preparing for the entrance exam. And start to do some volunteering work
which is useful for match, English, and cultural adaptation. Then, he will
apply for a master degree, or a nursing degree. Two years later, cant get
in any dental or pharmacy school. Come back to prepare for USMLEs. Time
not wasted. Cause his English has improved, and have a couple of LORs in
hands. Continue applying for dental or pharmacy schools while studying for
USMLEs. Whichever comes first, he will jump on it. He gives himself more
outs by doing so. And he will thank me for it.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 42 The bottom line is the initial investment in time and money and opportunity
cost is much lower for D or P. Not a big deal if it does not work out for
you.
The initial investment is much much higher for the USMLE route. If it does
not pan out, you will be hating life.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
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D****r
发帖数: 162 | 43 D cat or M cat, whatever can bring you the dough is a good cat
.
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 对于大多数进入美国的中国医/学生来说，牙医或药学院不是好的选择。
: 1. 牙医不是DOCTOR (请欣赏HANGOVER 1, 2)。大多数来美的不愿放弃这个头衔和在国
: 内的5年时光
: 2. 不是每个人都可以有李刚的爸爸或者类似翁帆的老公，生活对于普通人来说是要奋
: 斗的，或者起码是一边奋斗一边享受的
: 3. 对于MATCH,考医学院/牙学院/药学院—>贷款上学, 成功的几率还是MATCH要
: 大些。这个就像谈爱一样，如果只有自己认为合适而周围的人都摇头，那就是肯定自己
: 受骗上当了。
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 44 想起了社会主义初级阶段的生存权还是发展权的问题。
眼前利益， 生存权；
长远利益， 发展权；
上面的帖子真的都很有道理。 人在中国，有一份工作， 想的肯定是发展权； 如果这
个发展权是到美国发展，这个发展权就得重新调整了。
我个人意见， 眼光还是要长远一点， 做自己喜欢的事。
一辈子最苦最恨的事就是后悔。 |
f******w
发帖数: 10267 | 45 吼吼，我这个人，做了某个决定就不断告诉自己那个决定是对的，然后就没有什么后悔
的了。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 想起了社会主义初级阶段的生存权还是发展权的问题。
: 眼前利益， 生存权；
: 长远利益， 发展权；
: 上面的帖子真的都很有道理。 人在中国，有一份工作， 想的肯定是发展权； 如果这
: 个发展权是到美国发展，这个发展权就得重新调整了。
: 我个人意见， 眼光还是要长远一点， 做自己喜欢的事。
: 一辈子最苦最恨的事就是后悔。
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 46 对， 做一个死不改悔的走资派： 人生的终极意境。：）
【在 f******w 的大作中提到】
: 吼吼，我这个人，做了某个决定就不断告诉自己那个决定是对的，然后就没有什么后悔
: 的了。
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D**i
发帖数: 325 | 47 óD2?
successfully
roughly
Whats
【在 z**********1 的大作中提到】
: My girlfriend is graduating this summer from 安徽医科大学after successfully
: completing her 7 year program (masters/md) focusing in oncology. She
: currently has a offer to stay on as a full time staff member.
: A few questions:
: 1) I've already researched the USMLE/ECFMG road and it is my understanding
: that this would be about a 7~ year road. Is this correct? Last time I
: checked, the percentage of Chinese IMGs were very low in the states, roughly
: 3.5%. What residency programs are more partially favourable to CMGs? Whats
: life like for CMG residents?
: 2) Other than continuing down the MD route, what are other viable
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