d******h
发帖数: 503 | 1 Hawk 982 还是Mossberg 500?
钱不是问题，哪个质量好?
第一把shot gun, 家防，也打clay. |
L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | |
S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 3 Mossberg 500 combo两只枪管，短的家防长的打飞碟。
Hawk982打飞碟不理想。 |
H****r
发帖数: 16240 | |
d******h
发帖数: 503 | 5 学习了。
看来至少要28” 才能打猎打飞碟：
Shotgun Barrel Length
By Chuck Hawks
To get immediately to the heart of the matter, based on long personal
experience, I generally have little use for a shotgun with a barrel less
than 28 inches long for hunting flying game (upland or waterfowl), or for
shooting aerial targets ("clay pigeons"). You should also be aware, gentle
reader, that while I personally own all of the common types of shotguns (
side-by-side, over/under, autoloading and pump), I have a strong preference
for SxS and O/U break-open type shotguns.
There was, for a while, a drift toward shorter shotgun barrels, but that fad
seems to have run its course. The argument was that upland hunters
typically did a lot more walking than shooting and a short barrel made a
shotgun lighter and easier to carry in the field. This is true, as far as it
goes. However, consider this: why spend the effort to lug around a gun that
increases your likelihood of missing when the opportunity to shoot finally
arrives? It turns out that, for most shooters and hunters, 28 inches is
about the shortest practical barrel length for hitting the target.
This is particularly true for hunting and sporting clays guns of the break-
open type, whether single barrel, side-by-side double or over/under,
regardless of gauge. Break-open guns actually do very well with 30 inch
barrels. I have owned a number of such guns with both 28 inch and 30 inch
barrels and those are my favorite barrel lengths. 28 inch barrels are a bit
easier to carry in the field and 30 inch barrels are a bit easier with which
to hit. Either seems to work well for most purposes.
Break-open guns have very short receivers and thus are about four inches
shorter in overall length than a repeater (pump or semi-auto) with the same
length barrel. In other words, a double gun with 28 inch barrels is about
the same length as a repeater with a 24 inch barrel. Keep that in mind
before you order a break-open gun with barrels shorter than 28 inches.
I definitely prefer a 30 inch barrel for pass shooting ducks or on any sort
of trap gun. Some trap guns are sold with barrels as long as 34 inches and
30-32 inch barrels are the most common lengths. This is because trap
shooting is a long range game. Standard 16 yard rise targets are typically
broken at about 31-36 yards and handicap targets may be broken as far as 45-
50 yards from the shooter. The longer barrel allows more precise pointing
due to its longer sighting plane and develops greater momentum for a
smoother swing. The latter helps shooters to smoothly maintain the proper
lead and consistently break targets. The same principles apply to shooting
waterfowl at similar distances.
An experienced shooter choosing a repeater intended for very fast shooting,
such as on the skeet field, might do well with a 26 inch barrel. Such a gun
will still be a couple of inches longer than a double gun with 28 inch
barrels. Skeet targets require very fast shots at short range with open
choked guns and so do some bird hunting situations.
However, a break-open shotgun with 26 inch barrels will usually feel muzzle
light and whippy. This encourages the shooter to stop his or her swing
prematurely, which results in shooting behind the target. A short barrel
also encourages "spot shooting" with a motionless gun, a good way to miss
targets moving at all but the most gentle angles. A barrel shorter than 26
inches should not be considered for any wingshooting purpose, even on a
repeater.
The specialized Turkey gun is a different matter. These shotguns fire pellet
loads, but are aimed like a rifle at a bird on the ground and rifle length
barrels of 22-24 inches seem to be the norm. Another specialized type is the
slug gun. Slug guns are equipped with rifle sights and, like a rifle, fire
a single projectile at a game animal. Some actually are rifles, with fully
rifled barrels, built on a shotgun action. Rifle length barrels of 22-24
inches are typical for slug guns.
A 20 inch barrel seems about right to me for a riot gun, but it is
definitely NOT a sporting gun and such weapons are not intended for shooting
clay targets or any sort of game bird. Keep in mind that the shorter a
shotgun barrel gets, the harder it is to hit with. I was once (innocently)
nearby when a couple of LA cops, hiding behind a car parked at the curb in
front of a bank, managed to miss a pair of robbers leaving the bank with
several shots from their riot guns. This at a distance defined by the width
of a city sidewalk!
Assuming that the shooter knows how to lead and hit moving targets, the key
to scoring with a shotgun is stock fit, sighting plane, gun balance, a
smooth swing and follow through. If a lot of shooting will be done, as in
clay target games, muzzle blast and recoil play an increasing important (
negative) role. Short barrels have a deleterious effect on all of these
except basic stock fit.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Mossberg 500 combo两只枪管，短的家防长的打飞碟。
: Hawk982打飞碟不理想。
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L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | |
d******h
发帖数: 503 | 7 文章里的意思好像是28”以下的枪管打clay，打猎完全不行。至少28“，30”， 32“
更佳。可是Mossberg 网站上最场的枪管也就是28”的啦。
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我也在看这个问题，看来枪管长度可能是个事。
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 8 要不缺钱的话，买个Hawk 982 18.5“ 做家防。再买个Mossberg 500 28” 打clay。打
猎就算了，太多要学了，而且没有组织。打clay简单，买点clay targets， 到shot
gun range，就可以打了。应该是很好玩的，至少比打纸刺激。
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我也在看这个问题，看来枪管长度可能是个事。
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 9 Benelli 是意大利的枪啊，美军制式散弹枪啊，膜拜啊。
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 钱不是问题的话，买benelli吧。
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 10 我见过一个老中，短管982 25发全中的，而且是连续pull，中间不带停的
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Mossberg 500 combo两只枪管，短的家防长的打飞碟。
: Hawk982打飞碟不理想。
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 11 有练过
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 我见过一个老中，短管982 25发全中的，而且是连续pull，中间不带停的
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 12 你是说这人打了五轮，每轮5发，全中！牛比
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 我见过一个老中，短管982 25发全中的，而且是连续pull，中间不带停的
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 13 我说的是一轮25发，非trap，比五轮五发更牛逼
【在 d******h 的大作中提到】
: 你是说这人打了五轮，每轮5发，全中！牛比
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 14 可是这个枪只能一次上5个shell。迷惑。。
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是一轮25发，非trap，比五轮五发更牛逼
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K******l
发帖数: 2501 | 15 装弹动作比旁边拉机器的快。。。
【在 d******h 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个枪只能一次上5个shell。迷惑。。
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d******h
发帖数: 503 | 16 我还当真了。
【在 K******l 的大作中提到】
: 装弹动作比旁边拉机器的快。。。
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 17 no，一次只装两弹。打完继续装。
最后3弹可以选择一抛两靶，或还是两弹加最后一弹
所以是一人一轮25弹不带休息，比trap难多了
【在 d******h 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个枪只能一次上5个shell。迷惑。。
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 18 推荐哪个型号？
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 钱不是问题的话，买benelli吧。
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G*I
发帖数: 779 | 19 去店里摸摸再说,我喜欢mossberg 500 persuader 手感很好，弹容量也大。
Hawk 982没玩过，同档次的pardner pump摸过,感觉有pump release 有点硌手。
打飞碟一般用26-28寸管，Hawk 982肯定不行，mossberg 500有长管的，但没有短管方便 |
g**********g
发帖数: 18118 | 20 Super Nova
【在 z**r 的大作中提到】
: 推荐哪个型号？
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 21 谢了，回头看看
【在 g**********g 的大作中提到】
: Super Nova
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r*****7
发帖数: 574 | 22
这是在说我么? 嘿嘿
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 我见过一个老中，短管982 25发全中的，而且是连续pull，中间不带停的
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 23 你头像是自己么？是就肯定不是啦。看来华男牛人很多 :)
【在 r*****7 的大作中提到】
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: 这是在说我么? 嘿嘿
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L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 24 能不能给讲讲体会？Hawk可不可以用来打猎？
【在 r*****7 的大作中提到】
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: 这是在说我么? 嘿嘿
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o***e
发帖数: 814 | 25 万能枪是不存在的，要多用就上Mossberg500 combo。喜欢982的话现在dick's有170刀
的pardner pump，更值。
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: 能不能给讲讲体会？Hawk可不可以用来打猎？
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 26 这个pump有什么好处？讲一讲？
【在 o***e 的大作中提到】
: 万能枪是不存在的，要多用就上Mossberg500 combo。喜欢982的话现在dick's有170刀
: 的pardner pump，更值。
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o***e
发帖数: 814 | 27 家防霰弹枪我觉得都差不多，pardner跟hawk是一个东西，都是国货，不过挂上HR的牌
子而已，个人不喜欢mossberg松松垮垮的fore arm，pardner要重一些，感觉结实，呵
呵。mossberg action涂一层黑漆感觉不够肃杀，还是纯钢的雄鹰比较带劲。去店里试
试吧，选个趁手的
【在 z**r 的大作中提到】
: 这个pump有什么好处？讲一讲？
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