q****w
发帖数: 81 | 1 Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。 |
b***n
发帖数: 513 | 2 WoW!
congratulations!
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。
|
h*****w
发帖数: 8561 | 3 big cong.
it is really amazing |
m******g
发帖数: 3924 | |
l********n
发帖数: 804 | |
f***a
发帖数: 201 | |
G****2
发帖数: 211 | |
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | |
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 9 Percentile 6.5%? 是挖坑吗? 你不够专业.
All percentiles are reported as whole numbers.
-------------
Understanding the Percentile
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/peer_review_process.htm#scoring2
A percentile is the approximate percentage of applications that received
a better overall impact/priority score from the study section during the
past year.
For applications reviewed in ad hoc study sections, a different base may
be used to calculate percentiles.
All percentiles are reported as whole numbers
Only a subset of all applications receive percentiles. The types of
applications that are percentiled vary across different NIH Institutes and
Centers.
The summary statement will identify the base that was used to determine
the percentile.
-------------
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。
|
L***s
发帖数: 9258 | 10 我已经很久没进帐了...
【在 G****2 的大作中提到】
: 确实是牛人啊，我们哪个50k都乐好久
|
|
|
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 11 你又BSO了。
【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 我已经很久没进帐了...
|
q****w
发帖数: 81 | 12 可是这个就是我的era commons上显示的数据啊. 我一共拿过三个R01, 其中两个的
percentile都是带小数的.
我相信这儿肯定有别的PI也见过小数percentile的. 出来吱个声. 免得我被这人冤枉了
. 呵呵
received
may
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%? 是挖坑吗? 你不够专业.
: All percentiles are reported as whole numbers.
: -------------
: Understanding the Percentile
: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/peer_review_process.htm#scoring2
: A percentile is the approximate percentage of applications that received
: a better overall impact/priority score from the study section during the
: past year.
: For applications reviewed in ad hoc study sections, a different base may
: be used to calculate percentiles.
|
A2
发帖数: 588 | 13 你太牛了。佩服。羡慕嫉妒恨。
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个就是我的era commons上显示的数据啊. 我一共拿过三个R01, 其中两个的
: percentile都是带小数的.
: 我相信这儿肯定有别的PI也见过小数percentile的. 出来吱个声. 免得我被这人冤枉了
: . 呵呵
:
: received
: may
|
R*******t
发帖数: 574 | 14 恭喜!
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 15 你都拿过三个RO1了,怎么会说终于拿到一个RO1了?
你有三个RO1,早就可以好好睡了,还等现在.
你有三个RO1,还不知道现在NIH 的RO1 的percentile 是整数?
别以为版上都没人拿过RO1. 有几个RO1不吭声的肯定会有几个.
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个就是我的era commons上显示的数据啊. 我一共拿过三个R01, 其中两个的
: percentile都是带小数的.
: 我相信这儿肯定有别的PI也见过小数percentile的. 出来吱个声. 免得我被这人冤枉了
: . 呵呵
:
: received
: may
|
l********n
发帖数: 804 | 16 赞观察力
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 你都拿过三个RO1了,怎么会说终于拿到一个RO1了?
: 你有三个RO1,早就可以好好睡了,还等现在.
: 你有三个RO1,还不知道现在NIH 的RO1 的percentile 是整数?
: 别以为版上都没人拿过RO1. 有几个RO1不吭声的肯定会有几个.
|
q****w
发帖数: 81 | 17 象你这样挑刺的话，任何人说的话都可以挑出似是而非的漏洞。
我说终于拿到一个R01是因为最近这几次都是屡败屡战，多次受挫之后的感慨，我不知
道这个和以往拿到几个R01有什么矛盾。我说可以好好睡一觉，是因为这几天一直心里
紧张地关注分数，现在一个不错分数下来了，终于可以好好补上一觉了。你可能理解成
了，从此以后可以睡大觉了。那可能是你自己的心态吧，呵呵。
我拿再多的R01，我也不会去管什么分数必须是整数什么的规则。我只是叙述我在era
commons上看到的数据而已。我不知道花时间去研究这些规则是否能够帮助你多拿一个
R01。
我想很多在这个版上做PI的都会有拿几个R01的经历。丝毫没有什么值得炫耀的意思。
本来只是发个简短感慨而已，没有想到自己会这么无聊的敲这么多字。这也算是我纠缠
这个无聊问题的最后一贴吧。
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 你都拿过三个RO1了,怎么会说终于拿到一个RO1了?
: 你有三个RO1,早就可以好好睡了,还等现在.
: 你有三个RO1,还不知道现在NIH 的RO1 的percentile 是整数?
: 别以为版上都没人拿过RO1. 有几个RO1不吭声的肯定会有几个.
|
f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 18 Sorry to rain on the parade, but if you are an established investigator, the
interim FY13 paylines for several institutes (NIAID, NHLBI) are only 6% -
you are not completely out of woods yet.
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个就是我的era commons上显示的数据啊. 我一共拿过三个R01, 其中两个的
: percentile都是带小数的.
: 我相信这儿肯定有别的PI也见过小数percentile的. 出来吱个声. 免得我被这人冤枉了
: . 呵呵
:
: received
: may
|
p*******7
发帖数: 322 | 19 cong!
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。
|
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 20 大牛把我收了做小弟吧
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: 可是这个就是我的era commons上显示的数据啊. 我一共拿过三个R01, 其中两个的
: percentile都是带小数的.
: 我相信这儿肯定有别的PI也见过小数percentile的. 出来吱个声. 免得我被这人冤枉了
: . 呵呵
:
: received
: may
|
|
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 21 建议你研究一下为何大家的 NIH percentile 都是整数, 就你的有小数点.
你如果从来就没机会看到过自己的 percentile, 你至少听说过你同事的 percentile.
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: 象你这样挑刺的话，任何人说的话都可以挑出似是而非的漏洞。
: 我说终于拿到一个R01是因为最近这几次都是屡败屡战，多次受挫之后的感慨，我不知
: 道这个和以往拿到几个R01有什么矛盾。我说可以好好睡一觉，是因为这几天一直心里
: 紧张地关注分数，现在一个不错分数下来了，终于可以好好补上一觉了。你可能理解成
: 了，从此以后可以睡大觉了。那可能是你自己的心态吧，呵呵。
: 我拿再多的R01，我也不会去管什么分数必须是整数什么的规则。我只是叙述我在era
: commons上看到的数据而已。我不知道花时间去研究这些规则是否能够帮助你多拿一个
: R01。
: 我想很多在这个版上做PI的都会有拿几个R01的经历。丝毫没有什么值得炫耀的意思。
: 本来只是发个简短感慨而已，没有想到自己会这么无聊的敲这么多字。这也算是我纠缠
|
R*******t
发帖数: 574 | 22 Do you mean that "Percentile 6.5%" does not necessary mean "拿到一个R01"?
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 建议你研究一下为何大家的 NIH percentile 都是整数, 就你的有小数点.
: 你如果从来就没机会看到过自己的 percentile, 你至少听说过你同事的 percentile.
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 23 不是. 6.5% 基本上都可以拿到RO1.
问题是,NIH 的 percentile 都是给整数,不可能有小数点. LZ 给个有小数点的 NIH
percentile,说明他根本没拿到这个 percentile,或许根本就没有 percentile.
你可以到下面这个 link 去看看 NIH 的有关规定:
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/peer_review_process.htm#scoring2
------------
Understanding the Percentile
A percentile is the approximate percentage of applications that received
a better overall impact/priority score from the study section during the
past year.
For applications reviewed in ad hoc study sections, a different base may
be used to calculate percentiles.
All percentiles are reported as whole numbers
Only a subset of all applications receive percentiles. The types of
applications that are percentiled vary across different NIH Institutes and
Centers.
The summary statement will identify the base that was used to determine
the percentile.
-------------
【在 R*******t 的大作中提到】
: Do you mean that "Percentile 6.5%" does not necessary mean "拿到一个R01"?
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 24 I don't know about that. Mine on the page is 3.0%. If it doesn't give you
to the 1/10th why bother with the point zero.
received
may
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%? 是挖坑吗? 你不够专业.
: All percentiles are reported as whole numbers.
: -------------
: Understanding the Percentile
: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/peer_review_process.htm#scoring2
: A percentile is the approximate percentage of applications that received
: a better overall impact/priority score from the study section during the
: past year.
: For applications reviewed in ad hoc study sections, a different base may
: be used to calculate percentiles.
|
c****u
发帖数: 584 | 25 佩服。请你和lz给我们讲讲成功的心得吧。
you
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't know about that. Mine on the page is 3.0%. If it doesn't give you
: to the 1/10th why bother with the point zero.
:
: received
: may
|
p*l
发帖数: 1359 | 26 我的分在era上和summary上都是没有小数点的，但是有一个分在summary上写成 "
percentile 4+", 似乎他们还试图区分进位是＋还是－ |
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 27 我估计如果投的proposal在增加一倍,NIH就要开始加小数点了.
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 我的分在era上和summary上都是没有小数点的，但是有一个分在summary上写成 "
: percentile 4+", 似乎他们还试图区分进位是＋还是－
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 28 Non-sense. My post-doc boss showed us his R01 grant score. Several of them
has 10th of percentile. One of his is 1.6 (NCI) and the other is 0.67 (
NINDS). When I was with him, he has 3 R01s, 1 R21, and a DOD. Also, as I
mentioned before, my socre although is even but it give 3.0 not 3!
.
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 建议你研究一下为何大家的 NIH percentile 都是整数, 就你的有小数点.
: 你如果从来就没机会看到过自己的 percentile, 你至少听说过你同事的 percentile.
|
p*******7
发帖数: 322 | 29 All my scores end with *.0%. I guess that's probably how it is supposed to
be presented.
them
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Non-sense. My post-doc boss showed us his R01 grant score. Several of them
: has 10th of percentile. One of his is 1.6 (NCI) and the other is 0.67 (
: NINDS). When I was with him, he has 3 R01s, 1 R21, and a DOD. Also, as I
: mentioned before, my socre although is even but it give 3.0 not 3!
:
: .
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 30 你说的你老板的分数是哪一年的事,如果是很早以前的,我信.因为过去旧的评分体系确
实有小数点.如果是现在, 算了吧.
你的 3.0% 我信.如果你说是 3.1%,那就是假的. 如果LZ说 6.0%, 我信,6.5%,假的.
them
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Non-sense. My post-doc boss showed us his R01 grant score. Several of them
: has 10th of percentile. One of his is 1.6 (NCI) and the other is 0.67 (
: NINDS). When I was with him, he has 3 R01s, 1 R21, and a DOD. Also, as I
: mentioned before, my socre although is even but it give 3.0 not 3!
:
: .
|
|
|
L*****C
发帖数: 157 | 31 I am with Lumangmang. LZ has some explanation to do. |
b***n
发帖数: 513 | 32 我觉得大家都别吵了。
无论6.5也好，还是3.0也好，给俺们介绍一下经验最有用
【在 q****w 的大作中提到】
: Percentile 6.5%。可以睡个好觉了。那个study section真的tough。
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 33 好建议,还是让那位拿 3.0% 的来给大家介绍一下经验吧.
拿 6.5% 的 LZ 就算了,他谈的经验估计大家也不敢用.
【在 b***n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得大家都别吵了。
: 无论6.5也好，还是3.0也好，给俺们介绍一下经验最有用
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 34 Well, I'm a newbie. However, I see two ways of submission: 1. You submit a
lot of grants in a year and hope something sticks. 2. You submit your best
work with a lot of data backing it up and publications.
Personally, I believe my chairman is type 1, and I believe that's why he is
always wanting the junior investigators to submit (and submit and submit).
With one revision limit, I think this approach will get investigators into
trouble especially if you go in without data in all aims and a newbie! Yes,
I have seen people submit grant with preliminary data missing of one of the
aims. I'm also guilty of this for mt grant but I got luck on resubmission
so it didn't hurt me. Personally, I think it is not worth it. Also, I
believe #1 approach work in the past, not so much today (my personal opinion
).
I'm type 2. I submit one R01 and got score on the first round but it is so
far from the payline. A external big bull senior/mentor professor (soon to
be a President of a famous institute) told me to re-write the entire grant.
My chairman, however, told me it won't hurt just to resubmit. The worse
case scenario is that I got shut-down again, so that's what I did. I did
all the reviewers asked and found a new topic for aim 2. I got luck on the
topic of aim 2. There is a contradiction in the literature on the topic of
my aim 2 and I'm half chemist. So, I literally propose that my compounds
can resolve the contradiction with some molecular biology. In addition, if
I type in pubmed, there is a total of one page of literature on the topic
since 2000 (thus, it is NOVEL).
Btw, I did apply and got most of the small grant out there. Also, my
publication sucked i.e. no NCS, but highly reproducible because even our
competitors agreed to my results and published. I was chosen to submit to
Searle, Pew, and Damon Runyon fellowships for my institute, but I never got
it and don't expect to.
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 好建议,还是让那位拿 3.0% 的来给大家介绍一下经验吧.
: 拿 6.5% 的 LZ 就算了,他谈的经验估计大家也不敢用.
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 35 写得不错,谢谢分享!
a
is
Yes,
the
resubmission
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Well, I'm a newbie. However, I see two ways of submission: 1. You submit a
: lot of grants in a year and hope something sticks. 2. You submit your best
: work with a lot of data backing it up and publications.
: Personally, I believe my chairman is type 1, and I believe that's why he is
: always wanting the junior investigators to submit (and submit and submit).
: With one revision limit, I think this approach will get investigators into
: trouble especially if you go in without data in all aims and a newbie! Yes,
: I have seen people submit grant with preliminary data missing of one of the
: aims. I'm also guilty of this for mt grant but I got luck on resubmission
: so it didn't hurt me. Personally, I think it is not worth it. Also, I
|
c****u
发帖数: 584 | 36 多谢。
a
is
Yes,
the
resubmission
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Well, I'm a newbie. However, I see two ways of submission: 1. You submit a
: lot of grants in a year and hope something sticks. 2. You submit your best
: work with a lot of data backing it up and publications.
: Personally, I believe my chairman is type 1, and I believe that's why he is
: always wanting the junior investigators to submit (and submit and submit).
: With one revision limit, I think this approach will get investigators into
: trouble especially if you go in without data in all aims and a newbie! Yes,
: I have seen people submit grant with preliminary data missing of one of the
: aims. I'm also guilty of this for mt grant but I got luck on resubmission
: so it didn't hurt me. Personally, I think it is not worth it. Also, I
|
b***n
发帖数: 513 | 37 That's very nice.
Thanks lot!
a
is
Yes,
the
resubmission
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Well, I'm a newbie. However, I see two ways of submission: 1. You submit a
: lot of grants in a year and hope something sticks. 2. You submit your best
: work with a lot of data backing it up and publications.
: Personally, I believe my chairman is type 1, and I believe that's why he is
: always wanting the junior investigators to submit (and submit and submit).
: With one revision limit, I think this approach will get investigators into
: trouble especially if you go in without data in all aims and a newbie! Yes,
: I have seen people submit grant with preliminary data missing of one of the
: aims. I'm also guilty of this for mt grant but I got luck on resubmission
: so it didn't hurt me. Personally, I think it is not worth it. Also, I
|
p*l
发帖数: 1359 | 38 我是比较极端的第二种，没写过什么小grant，因为我的方向没什么小grant的
机会。
第一年，同一个主意写了个R21和一个州里的，都没拿到。第二年写了个R01，
拿了个很差的分。第三年初，算算钱只够再撑一年了，狗急跳墙，从五月到十
月，写了个R21 resubmission，一个校内的pilot grant，一个NSF career，最
后把我原来的R01重组了，当新R01投了出去。第三年下半年，开始收获了，拿
到了R21和校内的grant，最后R01被select pay了。
我的文章纪录没什么亮点，都是专业杂志，而且基本是一年只发一片，R21
review 的时候我我刚开始做那个方向，在那个方向没发过一片文章，。拿R01
的时候我只发过一独立后的篇文章。唯一值得自豪的就是，我这两个方向都是
独此一家绝无分号，没有竞争者。我当时最大的两个难题是证明我的东西有用，
和证明我能做出来。
最近一年没怎么写proposal，在攒数据忙文章。准备下半年再写个大的。
a
is
Yes,
the
resubmission
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Well, I'm a newbie. However, I see two ways of submission: 1. You submit a
: lot of grants in a year and hope something sticks. 2. You submit your best
: work with a lot of data backing it up and publications.
: Personally, I believe my chairman is type 1, and I believe that's why he is
: always wanting the junior investigators to submit (and submit and submit).
: With one revision limit, I think this approach will get investigators into
: trouble especially if you go in without data in all aims and a newbie! Yes,
: I have seen people submit grant with preliminary data missing of one of the
: aims. I'm also guilty of this for mt grant but I got luck on resubmission
: so it didn't hurt me. Personally, I think it is not worth it. Also, I
|
c********r
发帖数: 424 | 39 我能请教R01是什么吗？多谢。
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 大牛把我收了做小弟吧
|
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 40 NIH的.每年direct cost $250,000.
【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: 我能请教R01是什么吗？多谢。
|
|
|
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 41 我得学你了，第三年了，R21正在写，
R01还没有谱。
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 我是比较极端的第二种，没写过什么小grant，因为我的方向没什么小grant的
: 机会。
: 第一年，同一个主意写了个R21和一个州里的，都没拿到。第二年写了个R01，
: 拿了个很差的分。第三年初，算算钱只够再撑一年了，狗急跳墙，从五月到十
: 月，写了个R21 resubmission，一个校内的pilot grant，一个NSF career，最
: 后把我原来的R01重组了，当新R01投了出去。第三年下半年，开始收获了，拿
: 到了R21和校内的grant，最后R01被select pay了。
: 我的文章纪录没什么亮点，都是专业杂志，而且基本是一年只发一片，R21
: review 的时候我我刚开始做那个方向，在那个方向没发过一片文章，。拿R01
: 的时候我只发过一独立后的篇文章。唯一值得自豪的就是，我这两个方向都是
|
P*******1
发帖数: 169 | 42 以前从未留意过， 这次特地查了一下， 我的也带小数点。不过， 不是每个都带。
.
【在 l********g 的大作中提到】
: 建议你研究一下为何大家的 NIH percentile 都是整数, 就你的有小数点.
: 你如果从来就没机会看到过自己的 percentile, 你至少听说过你同事的 percentile.
|
l********g
发帖数: 400 | 43 带吧, 爱带几位带几位. 希望你那些带小数点的能真的给你带来钱.
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 以前从未留意过， 这次特地查了一下， 我的也带小数点。不过， 不是每个都带。
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