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p**********l
发帖数: 167
1
感谢jessiecai!
作者:蔡宇伽 发布时间:2016-10-13 06:13:26
八月底至九月初,回国参观访问了好几个高校,有内陆的也有沿海的,非常感谢领导们
的热情接待!在国外六七年了,此行打破了我对领导的刻板印象,基本都是求才若渴,
领导有方,学术做得好,为人也相当谦和。此行,也让我觉得只有回到祖国才能有机会
充分发挥自己的才能。
好了,回到韩春雨的话题。韩春雨事件通过诸多网友及媒体不断地”死缠烂打”,特别
是澎湃新闻接连发了很多有影响力的稿子,现在局面终于逐渐明朗。一个月前还处于拉
锯状态呢!现在连科学网的高老师和岳老师都完成了华丽的转身:) 国内的PI们也终于
勇敢地站出来了,大佬们也更有底气发声了。可喜可贺!
我九月初的时候给Nature Biotechnology主编写过信,指出Figure 4里逻辑不通之处。
主编表示会综合他们手上的资料,编辑们开会讨论一下。今天受网友建议,我又给
Nature Biotechnology主编发了信,询问一下编辑们对我指出的问题怎么看(这个主编
肯定不会透露的,问了也白问,不过拿来打开话题挺好),顺便打听一下他们的调查进
展(这个是重点)。
主编很爽快,很快就回复了。邮件原文按默认的礼仪我是不能贴的(除非有他的同意)
。重要的有两点,1. 编辑们对Figure 4的看法是机密,不能告知(果然如此),2. 杂
志的调查已经有进展,会按规程更新(意思是这件事影响很大,杂志也是知道的,肯定
会在未来的某一期里做出反应)。
韩的事情是否有反转的可能呢——目前,我所了解的并非全都对韩不利。一个多月前,
有个信誉非常好的网友提醒过博主,他的朋友用他自己的方法做出来了。因为是转述朋
友的朋友,可信度如何,各位自己斟酌吧!
现在韩的事情已经了引起了社会和学术界的足够关注,相信相关部门也会介入,给韩给
学术界给社会一个公正的调查结果。这可能是我对韩事件的倒数第二个或者最后一个博
文了吧。以后会发一些更有意义的东西,比如基因治疗的最新进展,北欧的风情文化,
敬请关注J
w****a
发帖数: 139
2
很好,最终判决看来很快就要下来了。
感谢蔡博士在推动韩春雨事件的进程中作出的贡献!
s***d
发帖数: 17
3
比起诋毁,揣测和谩骂,这才是干货啊
g********0
发帖数: 6201
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我很好奇如果这次nature的答复仍不能让韩黑满意,韩黑是否要继续死缠烂打.......
噢不,是为了中国科学界在国际上的声誉奋起抗争直到nature投降?
w***9
发帖数: 804
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肯定会继续死缠烂打,这是本性,不可能改变。
大家都是中国出来的,知根知底,打假绝不是为了什么公正。拼命打假,肯定是要对自
己有好处。
按照一般道理,如果韩的东西重复不出来。又不是第一次重复不出来,肯定会再找一篇
别人的文章重复。科学,自然杂志,那么多论文,为什么一定要在韩这颗树上吊死?

【在 g********0 的大作中提到】
: 我很好奇如果这次nature的答复仍不能让韩黑满意,韩黑是否要继续死缠烂打.......
: 噢不,是为了中国科学界在国际上的声誉奋起抗争直到nature投降?

s***d
发帖数: 17
6
这事也不只是中国人在打假,老外也有
只不过老外一看不行就忙自己的去了,不值得再花精力

【在 w***9 的大作中提到】
: 肯定会继续死缠烂打,这是本性,不可能改变。
: 大家都是中国出来的,知根知底,打假绝不是为了什么公正。拼命打假,肯定是要对自
: 己有好处。
: 按照一般道理,如果韩的东西重复不出来。又不是第一次重复不出来,肯定会再找一篇
: 别人的文章重复。科学,自然杂志,那么多论文,为什么一定要在韩这颗树上吊死?

w***9
发帖数: 804
7
没有看到一个有身份的美国人。不是歧视别的国家,主要是美国是老大。
不行就忙自己的去了,不值得再花精力。这是常态,揪住不放非常可疑。

【在 s***d 的大作中提到】
: 这事也不只是中国人在打假,老外也有
: 只不过老外一看不行就忙自己的去了,不值得再花精力

d********m
发帖数: 3662
8
蛋糕就这么一点,你韩春雨拿里几百万,国内别的学霸就要少拿几百万。这个和美国人
半毛钱关系没有,别人也就一笑了之了

【在 w***9 的大作中提到】
: 没有看到一个有身份的美国人。不是歧视别的国家,主要是美国是老大。
: 不行就忙自己的去了,不值得再花精力。这是常态,揪住不放非常可疑。

s******r
发帖数: 1245
9
打假肯定要支持的,不管打假是什么目的。假的东西还能拿大把funding这种风气一开
以后大家都别玩了在lab干死还不如在家编故事,国内现在严打电信诈骗一把有忽悠专
长的等着转方向呢

【在 w***9 的大作中提到】
: 肯定会继续死缠烂打,这是本性,不可能改变。
: 大家都是中国出来的,知根知底,打假绝不是为了什么公正。拼命打假,肯定是要对自
: 己有好处。
: 按照一般道理,如果韩的东西重复不出来。又不是第一次重复不出来,肯定会再找一篇
: 别人的文章重复。科学,自然杂志,那么多论文,为什么一定要在韩这颗树上吊死?

d********m
发帖数: 3662
10
这个换方向还是挺不容易的,至少得受过PHD训练。不然就成文科生写故事了,韩春雨
从这个角度出发来说,还是挺不错的,没几个人能把故事编上这个档次的杂志,毕竟还
有经过三个大牛评议。

【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 打假肯定要支持的,不管打假是什么目的。假的东西还能拿大把funding这种风气一开
: 以后大家都别玩了在lab干死还不如在家编故事,国内现在严打电信诈骗一把有忽悠专
: 长的等着转方向呢

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m***n
发帖数: 459
11
说好了是编,啥杂志不行?那些编的也不是没脑子,不会一编就投这么高曝光率的杂志
,因为很容易穿帮(当然一些牛人的似是而非的文章除外)。普通作假的都去一些没人
问津的杂志编了罢了。

【在 d********m 的大作中提到】
: 这个换方向还是挺不容易的,至少得受过PHD训练。不然就成文科生写故事了,韩春雨
: 从这个角度出发来说,还是挺不错的,没几个人能把故事编上这个档次的杂志,毕竟还
: 有经过三个大牛评议。

P****R
发帖数: 22479
12
我觉得如果你希望这个体制完蛋,就应该支持这种造假。最好全中国各行各业都是韩春
雨式的人物横行霸道,那么这个体制很快就会玩完。
如果你希望这个体制能够自我更新挽救,那么就拼命把韩春雨挖出来示众。这样就解救
了这个体制。

【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 打假肯定要支持的,不管打假是什么目的。假的东西还能拿大把funding这种风气一开
: 以后大家都别玩了在lab干死还不如在家编故事,国内现在严打电信诈骗一把有忽悠专
: 长的等着转方向呢

h*******u
发帖数: 351
13
傻逼五毛还在心存幻想呢。韩春雨现在是人人喊打,已经完蛋了。

【在 g********0 的大作中提到】
: 我很好奇如果这次nature的答复仍不能让韩黑满意,韩黑是否要继续死缠烂打.......
: 噢不,是为了中国科学界在国际上的声誉奋起抗争直到nature投降?

a*****c
发帖数: 53
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Rise to prominence[edit]
Schön's field of research was condensed matter physics and
nanotechnology.[3] He received his Ph.D. from the University of Konstanz in
1997. In late 1997 he was hired by Bell Labs, located in New Jersey, United
States. There, he worked on electronics in which conventional semiconducting
elements (such as silicon) were replaced by crystalline organic materials.
Specific organic materials can conduct electrical currents, and in a so-
called field-effect transistor (a refined implementation of the transistor
effect, which was pioneered in 1947 in the same laboratory) the conductance
can be switched on or off, a basic function in the field of electronics. Sch
ön, however, claimed spectacular on/off behavior, far beyond anything
achieved thus far with organic materials. His measurements in most cases
confirmed various theoretical predictions, for example that the organic
materials could be made to display superconductivity or be used in lasers.
The findings were published in prominent scientific publications, including
the journals Science and Nature, and gained worldwide attention. However, no
research group anywhere in the world succeeded in reproducing the results
claimed by Schön.[4]
In 2001 he was listed as an author on an average of one newly published
research paper every eight days.[3] In that year he announced in Nature that
he had produced a transistor on the molecular scale. Schön claimed to
have used a thin layer of organic dye molecules to assemble an electric
circuit that, when acted on by an electric current, behaved as a transistor.
The implications of his work were significant. It would have been the
beginning of a move away from silicon-based electronics and towards organic
electronics. It would have allowed chips to continue shrinking past the
point at which silicon breaks down, and therefore continue Moore's Law for
much longer than is currently predicted. It also would have drastically
reduced the cost of electronics.
A key element in Schön's claimed successful observation of various
physical phenomena in organic materials was in the transistor setup,
specifically, a thin layer of aluminium oxide which Schön incorporated
in the transistors using lab-facilities of the University of Konstanz in
Germany. Although the equipment and materials used were commonly used by
laboratories all over the world, no one succeeded in preparing aluminium
oxide layers of similar quality as claimed by Schön.[4]
Allegations and investigation[edit]
As recounted by Dan Agin in his book Junk Science, soon after Schön
published his work on single-molecule semiconductors, others in the physics
community alleged that his data contained anomalies. Lydia Sohn, then of
Princeton University, noticed that two experiments carried out at very
different temperatures had identical noise.[3] When the editors of Nature
pointed this out to Schön, he claimed to have accidentally submitted
the same graph twice. Paul McEuen of Cornell University then found the same
noise in a paper describing a third experiment. More research by McEuen,
Sohn, and other physicists uncovered a number of examples of duplicate data
in Schön's work. This triggered a series of reactions that quickly led
Lucent Technologies (which ran Bell Labs) to start a formal investigation.[5]
In May 2002, Bell Labs set up a committee to investigate with Malcolm
Beasley of Stanford University as chair.[6] The committee obtained
information from all of Schön's coauthors, and interviewed the three
principal ones (Zhenan Bao, Bertram Batlogg and Christian Kloc).[7] It
examined electronic drafts of the disputed papers which included processed
numeric data. The committee requested copies of the raw data but found that
Schön had kept no laboratory notebooks. His raw-data files had been
erased from his computer. According to Schön the files were erased
because his computer had limited hard drive space. In addition, all of his
experimental samples had been discarded, or damaged beyond repair.[3][6]
On September 25, 2002, the committee publicly released its report.[6] The
report contained details of 24 allegations of misconduct. They found
evidence of Schön's scientific misconduct in at least 16 of them. They
found that whole data sets had been reused in a number of different
experiments. They also found that some of his graphs, which purportedly had
been plotted from experimental data, had instead been produced using
mathematical functions.[6]
The report found that all of the misdeeds had been performed by Schön
alone. All of the coauthors (including Bertram Batlogg who was the head of
the team) were exonerated of scientific misconduct. This sparked widespread
debate[8] in the scientific community on how the blame for misconduct should
be shared among co-authors, particularly when they share significant part
of the credit.[6]
Aftermath and sanctions[edit]
Schön acknowledged that the data were incorrect in many of these papers
.[6] He claimed that the substitutions could have occurred by honest mistake
. He admitted to having falsified some data and stated he did so to show
more convincing evidence for behaviour that he observed.
Experimenters at Delft University of Technology and the Thomas J. Watson
Research Center have since performed experiments similar to Schön's,
without achieving similar results.[3] Even before the allegations had become
public, several research groups had tried to reproduce most of his
spectacular results in the field of the physics of organic molecular
materials without success.[5][9]
Schön returned to Germany and took a job at an engineering firm.[9] In
June 2004 the University of Konstanz issued a press release stating that Sch
ön's doctoral degree had been revoked due to "dishonourable conduct".
Department of Physics spokesman Wolfgang Dieterich called the affair the "
biggest fraud in physics in the last 50 years" and said that the "
credibility of science had been brought into disrepute".[10] Schön
appealed the ruling, but on October 28, 2009 it was upheld by the University
.[11] In response, Schön sued the University, and appeared in court to
testify on September 23, 2010. The court overturned the University's
decision on September 27, 2010. However, in November 2010 the University
moved to appeal the court's ruling.[12] The state court ruled in September
2011 that the university was correct in revoking his doctorate.[13] The
Federal Administrative Court upheld the state court's decision in July 2013,
[14] and the Federal Constitutional Court confirmed it in September 2014.[15]
In the meantime, in October 2004, the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft (DFG,
the German Research Foundation) Joint Committee announced sanctions against
him. The former DFG post-doctorate fellow was deprived of his active right
to vote in DFG elections or serve on DFG committees for an eight-year period
. During that period, Schön will also be unable to serve as a peer
reviewer or apply for DFG funds.[16]
Withdrawn journal papers[edit]
On October 31, 2002, Science withdrew eight papers written by Schön:[17]
J. H. Schön; S. Berg; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Ambipolar Pentacene
Field-Effect Transistors and Inverters". Science. 287 (5455): 1022–3.
Bibcode:2000Sci...287.1022S. doi:10.1126/science.287.5455.1022. PMID
10669410. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; R. C. Haddon; B. Batlogg (2000). "A
Superconducting Field-Effect Switch". Science. 288 (5466): 656–8. doi:10.
1126/science.288.5466.656. PMID 10784445. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Fractional Quantum Hall
Effect in Organic Molecular Semiconductors". Science. 288 (5475): 2338–40.
doi:10.1126/science.288.5475.2338. PMID 17769842. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; A. Dodabalapur; B. Batlogg (2000). "An Organic
Solid State Injection Laser". Science. 289 (5479): 599–601. Bibcode:2000Sci
...289..599S. doi:10.1126/science.289.5479.599. PMID 10915617. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "A Light-Emitting Field-
Effect Transistor". Science. 290 (5493): 963–6. Bibcode:2000Sci...290..963S
. doi:10.1126/science.290.5493.963. PMID 11062124. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; H. Y. Hwang; B. Batlogg (2001). "Josephson
Junctions with Tunable Weak Links". Science. 292 (5515): 252–4. doi:10.1126
/science.1058812. PMID 11303093. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; A. Dodabalapur; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2001). "High-
Temperature Superconductivity in Lattice-Expanded C60". Science. 293 (5539):
2432–4. Bibcode:2001Sci...293.2432S. doi:10.1126/science.1064773. PMID
11533443. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; A. Dodabalapur; B. Batlogg (2001). "Field-Effect
Modulation of the Conductance of Single Molecules". Science. 294 (5549):
2138–40. doi:10.1126/science.1066171. PMID 11701891. (Retracted)
On December 20, 2002, Physical Review withdrew six papers written by Sch&
ouml;n:[18][19]
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2001). "Hole transport in pentacene
single crystals". Physical Review B. 63: 245201. Bibcode:2001PhRvB..63x5201S
. doi:10.1103/PhysRevB.63.245201. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; R. Laudise; B. Batlogg (1998). "Electrical
properties of single crystals of rigid rodlike conjugated molecules".
Physical Review B. 58: 12952. Bibcode:1998PhRvB..5812952S. doi:10.1103/
PhysRevB.58.12952. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Mobile iodine dopants in
organic semiconductors". Physical Review B. 61: 10803. Bibcode:2000PhRvB..
6110803S. doi:10.1103/PhysRevB.61.10803. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; D. Fichou; B. Batlogg (2001). "Conjugation
length dependence of the charge transport in oligothiophene single crystals"
. Physical Review B. 64: 035209. Bibcode:2001PhRvB..64c5209S. doi:10.1103/
PhysRevB.64.035209. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2001). "Low-temperature transport in
high-mobility polycrystalline pentacene field-effect transistors". Physical
Review B. 63: 125304. Bibcode:2001PhRvB..63l5304S. doi:10.1103/PhysRevB.63.
125304. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2001). "Universal Crossover from
Band to Hopping Conduction in Molecular Organic Semiconductors". Physical
Review Letters. 86 (17): 3843–6. Bibcode:2001PhRvL..86.3843S. doi:10.1103/
PhysRevLett.86.3843. PMID 11329338. (Retracted)
On February 24, 2003, Applied Physics Letters withdrew four papers written
by Schön:[20][21][22][23]
J. H. Schön; Z. Bao (2002). "Nanoscale organic transistors based on
self-assembled monolayers". Applied Physics Letters. 80 (5): 847. Bibcode:
2002ApPhL..80..847S. doi:10.1063/1.1445804. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; C. Kloc (2001). "Fast organic electronic circuits based on
ambipolar pentacene field-effect transistors". Applied Physics Letters. 79
(24): 4043. Bibcode:2001ApPhL..79.4043S. doi:10.1063/1.1426684. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön (2001). "Plastic Josephson junctions". Applied Physics
Letters. 79 (4): 2208. Bibcode:2001ApPhL..79.2208S. doi:10.1063/1.1408277. (
Retracted)
J. H. Schön; C. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Perylene: A promising organic
field-effect transistor material". Applied Physics Letters. 77 (23): 3776.
Bibcode:2000ApPhL..77.3776S. doi:10.1063/1.1329634. (Retracted)
On May 2, 2003, Science withdrew another paper written by Schön:[24]
J. H. Schön; M. Dorget; F. C. Beuran; X. Z. Xu; E. Arushanov; M. Lagu&
euml;s; C. Deville Cavellin (2001). "Field-Induced Superconductivity in a
Spin-Ladder Cuprate". Science. 293 (5539): 2430. Bibcode:2001Sci...293.2430S
. doi:10.1126/science.1064204. (Retracted)
On March 20, 2003, Advanced Materials withdrew two papers written by Sch&
ouml;n:[25]
J.H. Schön; H. Meng; Z. Bao (2002). "Self-Assembled Monolayer
Transistors". Advanced Materials. 14 (4): 323–326. doi:10.1002/1521-4095(
20020219)14:4<323::AID-ADMA323>3.0.CO;2-5. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; C. Kloc; J. Wildeman; G. Hadziinoannou (2001). "Gate-
Induced Superconductivity in Oligophenylenevinylene Single Crystals".
Advanced Materials. 13 (16): 1273–1274. doi:10.1002/1521-4095(200108)13:16<
1273::AID-ADMA1273>3.0.CO;2-P. (Retracted)
On March 5, 2003, Nature withdrew seven papers written by Schön:[26]
J. H. Schön; M. Dorget; F. C. Beuran; X. Z. Zu; E. Arushanov; C.
Deville Cavellin; M. Laguës (2001). "Superconductivity in CaCuO2 as a
result of field-effect doping". Nature. 414 (6862): 434–6. Bibcode:
2001Natur.414..434S. doi:10.1038/35106539. PMID 11719801. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; T. Siegrist; M. Steigerwald; C. Svensson; B.
Batlogg (2001). "Superconductivity in single crystals of the fullerene C70."
. Nature. 413 (6858): 831–3. Bibcode:2001Natur.413..831S. doi:10.1038/
35101577. PMID 11677603. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; H. Meng; Z. Bao (2001). "Self-assembled monolayer organic
field-effect transistors.". Nature. 413 (6857): 713–6. Bibcode:2001Natur.
413..713S. doi:10.1038/35099520. PMID 11607026. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; A. Dodabalapur; Z. Bao; Ch. Kloc; O. Schenker; B. Batlogg
(2001). "Gate-induced superconductivity in a solution-processed organic
polymer film.". Nature. 410 (6825): 189–92. Bibcode:2001Natur.410..189S.
doi:10.1038/35065565. PMID 11242074. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Superconductivity at 52 K in
hole-doped C60.". Nature. 408 (6812): 549–52. Bibcode:2000Natur.408..549S.
doi:10.1038/35046008. PMID 11117735. (Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; B. Batlogg (2000). "Superconductivity in
molecular crystals induced by charge injection.". Nature. 406 (6797): 702–4
. Bibcode:2000Natur.406..702S. doi:10.1038/35021011. PMID 10963589. (
Retracted)
J. H. Schön; Ch. Kloc; E. Bucher; B. Batlogg (2000). "Efficient organic
photovoltaic diodes based on doped pentacene.". Nature. 403 (6768): 408–10
. Bibcode:2000Natur.403..408S. doi:10.1038/35000172. PMID 10667788. (
Retracted)
g********0
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左逼果然没有下限,无论在哪个版都是一样。

【在 h*******u 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼五毛还在心存幻想呢。韩春雨现在是人人喊打,已经完蛋了。
h*******u
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韩春雨现在是死狗,人人喊打,完蛋只是时间问题。你负隅顽抗是徒劳的,恼羞成怒是
活该的。哈哈哈哈哈。

【在 g********0 的大作中提到】
: 左逼果然没有下限,无论在哪个版都是一样。
g********0
发帖数: 6201
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哈哈哈哈哈,大家同乐同乐,坐等韩黑躺赢。

【在 h*******u 的大作中提到】
: 韩春雨现在是死狗,人人喊打,完蛋只是时间问题。你负隅顽抗是徒劳的,恼羞成怒是
: 活该的。哈哈哈哈哈。

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