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发帖数: 937 | 1 Trump:
“On my first day in office, I am going to ask congress to send me a bill to
immediately repeal and replace, I just said it, Obamacare.” [Asheville, NC
, 9/12/16]
“Also on my first day, I will ask congress to send me a bill to immediately
repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Clive, OH, 9/13/16]
“Also on my first day i’m going to ask congress to send me a bill to
immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. ” [Canton, OH, 9/14/16]
......
How many time Trump said so? here is th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 2 No, Left-Wingers, the ‘Founders’ Did NOT Approve of Mandates or Obamacare
April 16, 2012 Posted by Warner Todd Huston
Every few weeks leftist supporters of Obamacare will float the “fact” that
our founders passed the first “national healthcare law” claiming that
this supports Obamacare. The truth is, though, the history they claim
supports them doesn’t in any way prove that the founders would approve of
mandates in general or Obamacare in particular.
This failed historical analogy is once again... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 3 Kagan Sits in Judgment of Obamacare—Despite Cheering Its Passage and
Assigning Lawyer to Defend It
By Terence P. Jeffrey
March 26, 2012
(CNSNews.com) - When the Supreme Court on Monday began hearing oral
arguments in the cases challenging the constitutionality of the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act—AKA “Obamacare”—Supreme Court Justice
Elena Kagan showed up to hear the arguments and gave no indication she
would recuse herself from judging the cases even though she had cheered
enactmen... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 4 No congressional Obamacare exemptions
By Rep. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), M.D. - 09/30/13 09:00 AM ET
As Obamacare officially begins, Americans are becoming increasingly aware of
its negative impacts on our lives. Ironically, the people who pushed this
law the hardest have now exempted members of Congress and their staff from
Obamacare. This is wrong. That’s why I am working alongside Sen. David
Vitter (R-la.) and House colleagues to include an amendment to any
government spending package (The James M... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 666 | 5 奥巴马赢了，Obamacare估计谁也挡不住了。
对老百姓来说，这个医改肯定有好处。 好像有的医生不太高兴。有的人似乎对这事很
有心得，对这事研究的挺明白。能不能谁出来给大家说说，让大家心里有个概念。 今
天看了一篇文章，似乎有点道理。
The Election Is Today, and Americans Still Don't Understand Obamacare
The passage of health care reform has been President Obama's biggest
legislative achievement—but also his biggest political liability.
Republicans have spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking the law,
claiming, variously, that it will raise taxes, harm Medicare, and place
government bureaucrats in char... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 6 Fighting a law that is unfair, unworkable and unaffordable is reasonable and
necessary.
Now that the government shutdown has ended and the president has preserved
ObamaCare for the time being, it's worth explaining why my organization, the
Heritage Foundation, and other conservatives chose this moment to fight—
and why we will continue to fight. The reason is simple: to protect the
American people from the harmful effects of this law.
I spent a good part of my summer traveling around the country... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 7 10:05 AM, Jul 15, 2014 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON
In March 2010, Obamacare was about to be voted upon by the House of
Representatives, and the Democrats were in the process of deciding whether
to ignore public opinion at their peril. At that time, the Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) projected that Obamacare would cost $938 billion over a
decade and would reduce the number of uninsured people by 19 million as of
2014 (with a reduction of 1 million prior to 2014 and 18 million in 2014
alone... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 8 In response to President Barack Obama’s demands that the House pass a
continuing resolution that funds the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans
fired back, demanding a delay for all of Obamacare until 2015.
The amendment, led by Tom Graves (R-GA), the congressman behind the House's
Obamacare defunding push, is called the “Fairness Amendment” and would,
according to Graves’ office, delay the healthcare law until 2015.
“A simple and reasonable way to ensure fairness for all is to provide every
A... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 9 http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/10/new-mckins
Avik Roy , Forbes Staff
One of the principal flaws in the coverage of Obamacare’s exchange
enrollment numbers to date has been that the press has not made distinctions
between those who have “signed up” for Obamacare-based plans, and those
who have actually paid for those plans and thereby achieved enrollment in
health insurance. A new survey from McKinsey indicates that a large majority
of people signing up are now paying for their... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 10 August 19, 2012 Posted by Michael Laprarie
Watching the Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan campaign this past week has been almost a
surreal experience. Imagine – two passionate, articulate Republicans
taking the fight directly to their opponents and demolishing the Democrats’
emotion-laced memes with simple, direct arguments. The last time we saw
anything like this was 1980, and George H. W. Bush was no Paul Ryan.
Romney’s selection of Ryan should quell any doubts about the primary goal
of his administ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8463 | 11 http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obamacare-enroll-pay/2014/02/1
Report: Half of Obamacare 'Enrollees' Still Owe Their Premiums
The White House has been dealt a stunning new blow on Obamacare sign-up
numbers with reports showing that only about half of the people "enrolled"
at healthcare exchanges in various states have actually paid their premiums.
With the March 31 deadline for enrollment just seven weeks away, the number
of sign-ups in federal and state marketplaces has slowed down to an alarm... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 12 Pro-Life Family No Longer Forced to Pay Obamacare 'Abortion Surcharge'
via Breitbart Feed
When a pro-life family in Connecticut found that their state Obamacare
exchange only offered plans that included abortion coverage, they filed a
lawsuit against federal and state officials because they could not purchase
a plan that did not require its participants to pay for the elective
abortions of others. Last month, the Bracy Family dismissed its lawsuit
after the addition of health plans to the exchan... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 13 Top hospitals opt out of Obamacare
The Obama administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be
competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently
they haven’t surveyed the nation’s top hospitals.
Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they
expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered
under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept
insurance from just one or two companies operat... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6559 | 14 很多大医院欢迎obamacare的保险
The Obama administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be
competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently
they haven’t surveyed the nation’s top hospitals.
Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they
expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered
under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept
insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obama... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 15 Republicans Got It Right About Obamacare: 5 Predictions That Turned Out To
Be True
Republicans Got It Right About Obamacare: 5 Predictions That Turned Out To
Be True
Republicans were right about Obamacare and Democrats were wrong. Before
Obamacare was passed, when Democrats were telling the public that it would
make health care cheaper, better, and would cure cancer right after it makes
your bed in the morning and cuts your grass, Republicans were pointing out
the very flaws that the American pe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 16 Obamacare patients are discovering that many doctors, hospitals, and top
cancer centers do not accept the plans they purchased.
"It's so frustrating," Terri Durheim of Enid, Okla., told CNN. "It's not
doing me a lot of good."
Durheim is not alone. Obamacare's so-called "narrow networks" are designed
to limit customer choices to push patients into cheaper choices in an effort
to control costs. Earlier this year Washington Post health writer Sarah
Kliff warned that "Obamacare's narrow networks are... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 17 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/24/juan-williams-trumps-cynical-sabotage-obamacare.html
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your
plan,
you can keep your plan.”
For years, Republicans used that exaggerated pledge to thrash the Affordable
Care Act (ACA) and President Obama for not keeping his promise. Politifact
labeled it as “lie of the year” in 2013.
Politifact will have a lot of lies to choose from this year, given the
hurricane of fals... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 18 We already know the rosy budget estimates used to sell the law were wrong.
By RON JOHNSON
One year after the passage of ObamaCare, this paper published an op-ed I
wrote ("ObamaCare and Carey's Heart") about how America's health-care system
saved my daughter's life, and describing how implementing this law will
limit innovation, lead to rationing, and lower the quality of care. Now, two
years out, I would like to focus on the budgetary disaster.
As a candidate, Barack Obama repeatedly claimed tha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2718 | 19 其实我自己真的在网站上计算了一下。医疗保险原来都是公司买的，自己也没管过。
如果是我个人，我发现保险费用主要是和年纪有关。比如30来岁，收入10万，就算政府
一分钱不出自己在那个网站买保险就是300多块一个月，around silver-gold coverage
。真没想到啊，这么便宜？（要是我是公司雇主，一个月给你这几百块，你自己去买好
了）。不过如果要是50-60岁了，这个保费就变成1000+一个月了。美国公司还算不太敢
年龄歧视吧，可以比比中国公司看看，什么35岁以下年龄要求。不过其实美国还是有的
，因为看看招年轻人保险就省好多钱啊。我同学说她妈妈前一阵给裁了，在硅谷这边，
而且她妈妈公司那一批裁的都是老同志。她爸爸其实没工作的更早，幸好在用她妈妈的
保险，还做了个心脏搭桥手术什么的。可见老同志的保险要贵很多正常啊。
所以你如果5,60岁了，本来工作也不好找了，收入也下降了，保费也涨了，有了
obamaCare你不是才有可能活下去么？在你65岁可以买 mediCare 之前。除非我们现在
这些年税也多交了，到我们真正老了，需要用obamaCare的时候又取消了，那。。。运
气就... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2053 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: db2 (postgres), 信区: Military
标 题: Aetna is dumping Obamacare in all but 4 states in 2017
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 16 10:36:08 2016, 美东)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aetna-dumping-obamacare-4-states-042200994.
html
Aetna (NYSE: AET) is sharply cutting its participation in Obamacare
exchanges for 2017.
The health insurer said it will offer individual Affordable Care Act
exchange plans in just four states, down from 15 this year, in an effort to
reduce its losses.
"A... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 125 | 21 其实不是不懂，很多话现在说不清楚，观点也不好表达。
我觉得你也没懂我的意思，我说的论点不在收益人数的多少，我的论点在政府直接买蛋
糕到政府强迫你分蛋糕的转换。还是编些数字来阐明一下我的那个论点，比如说现在政
府的health cost是100元，以后会节节高升，预期一年增加10块钱，第二年就是110，
第三年就是120，。。。即使不改变，这些增加的医疗支出要靠增加税收来实现。我的
论点是obamacare的动机有两大点，一就是全民健保，让民主党的票仓的很多穷人也有
健保，二是让一部分现在有健保的人和身体健康不想买健保的人和没健保的人等等统统
绑在一起再一起扔到obamacare这个pool里面，如果没有obamacare却又要往全民健保的
方向走，obamacare pool里面原先没有健保的人的医疗开销很可能最终从政府预算里面
出。就打比方在obamacare出来之前，一个有大病被保险公司拒收，那么这个人的很大
一部分医疗开销很可能由政府预算里出，可能以去医院看病没钱支付只能赖帐最终政府
补贴医院的方式，可能以medicaid的方式，还是由政府支出，这是政府直接买蛋糕的方
式。但是有... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9638 | 22 看一下这篇文章就明白了，尼玛，Obama，算你狠。
What ObamaCare is Really About!
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000
per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work
projects out there for me. My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per
year, working as a part-time mail clerk. For me, making $60,000 a year,
under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also
happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month. For my
girlf... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 23 obamacare搞很多tax还有fee，养了一群官僚机构，美国中产阶级逆来顺受还一大堆人
选巴马民党，觉悟真是高。
New ObamaCare fees coming in 2014
WASHINGTON — Here comes the ObamaCare tax bill.
The cost of President Obama’s massive health-care law will hit Americans in
2014 as new taxes pile up on their insurance premiums and on their income-
tax bills.
Most insurers aren’t advertising the ObamaCare taxes that are added on to
premiums, opting instead to discretely pass them on to customers while
quietly lobbying lawmakers for a break.
But one insu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 21830 | 24 obamacare只benefit了一帮常年多病的老人，没收入的政屁，但却不能善待真正的产业
大军：中高收入的年轻人。这些人不怎么生病，买health insurance大部分都是白送钱
。所以现在obamacare入不敷出就是因为年轻人都不加入。
首先，加入obamacare需要你提供husehold income,income高的contribution也高，你
contribution高也算了，obamacare的保险明显不如很多公司的group insurance. 而且
你就是加入了obamacare，你公司也不会把几千块的premium给你。
所以年轻人加入obamacare基本就是出钱养嗲地。在中国，自己的嗲地是儿子们养的，
儿子有钱嗲地生活就有保障，儿子没钱嗲地生活就差，要没儿子--邓矮子说“政府来养
老“，不过邓矮子早进棺材了，谁他妈的知道能养老的政府在哪里啊？
在美国跟共产党中国完全不同，你有钱，你年轻，你就得出钱养人家的黑嗲地，白嗲地
，反正不是你自家的嗲地。这就是obamacare的本质。
obamacare说白了就是，出钱养人家的穷，懒，黑，多病的嗲地。 |
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发帖数: 75 | 25 美国医疗产业，五倍于军费。是国家机器，而非服务行业。它是金融集团向美国人民，
尤其是中产，插管吸血的暴力制度。可以杀警察，但是没看见杀医生，甚至连医闹都很
少。可见这个制度多么完善。
【 以下文字转载自 Medicalpractice 讨论区 】
发信人: QuantSoldier (量子战士), 信区: Medicalpractice
标 题: Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 4 14:19:03 2013, 美东)
发信人: QuantSoldier (量子战士), 信区: Military
标 题: Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 4 01:27:21 2013, 美东)
Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
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发帖数: 2053 | 26 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aetna-dumping-obamacare-4-states-042200994.
html
Aetna (NYSE: AET) is sharply cutting its participation in Obamacare
exchanges for 2017.
The health insurer said it will offer individual Affordable Care Act
exchange plans in just four states, down from 15 this year, in an effort to
reduce its losses.
"As a strong supporter of public exchanges as a means to meet the needs of
the uninsured, we regret having to make this decision," Chairman and CEO
Marc Bertolini said ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 27 作者:Gerard
2010-11-16 17:32:01
ObamaCare里面有这么一条据说造福百姓的条例，就是规定医疗保险公司的Medical
Loss Ratio必须达到85％。也就是说，保险公司每收到的100美金保费里面，至少有85
美金得花在客户的医疗费用上。这么一来，保险公司的利润率不可能超过15％。政府以
为这么一来，更多的钱被用到医疗服务上，受益的肯定是花钱购买保险的广大人民。仔
细想想，果真如此么？
ObamaCare还有一个规定，就是要求每一个人都购买医疗保险，否则就要缴纳罚款。设
想全美国人民都购买保险的情况，那么保险费总额就达到了一个上限，例如1000亿美金
。这就意味着，保险公司必须要把850亿美金花在美国人民的医疗费用上，才能符合
ObamaCare的规定。但是，如果这一年，全美国人民产生的医疗费用总额只有600亿美金
呢？那么保险公司怎么花都没法符合法律规定了。Obama们的想法是，这种情况若是出
现，保险公司就必须把保险费降低，广大美国人民就从中受益。
但是，这或许只是政府的一厢情愿。会不会有一种可能呢？保险公司的利润率最高只能
达到15％。那么它... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 28 Jeffrey H. Anderson
July 2, 2013 8:24 PM
In a blatant exercise of arbitrary rule, the Obama administration announced
this evening that it has unilaterally decided not to implement a key
provision of Obamacare on schedule. By law, Obamacare’s employer mandate
— its requirement that businesses with 50 or more workers provide federally
sanctioned health insurance — should go into effect next year. By
executive fiat, it won’t go into effect until 2015.
In addition to being a naked display of lawle... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 29 Washington has been abuzz for months over the fear and loathing that
Congressional staffers have for Obamacare. Many staffers and employees on
Capitol Hill have been saying they'll have to quit Washington if they are
forced into Obamacare. Now the President is promising to fix it all for them.
At the very beginning of his closed-door meeting with Senate Democrats, the
President addressed staffers' worries that Obamacare will force them to quit
working in Washington, promising "I'm on it."
Curren... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1814 | 30 美国医疗最大的问题是太贵，医疗的总花费是GDP的16%，远超其他国家。人均每年要在
医疗上花费八千多美元。任何保险对这个问题没有帮助——保险只能对抗小概率事件，
现在光是这个平均开支就让人付不起了。实际上医保只能增加额外的开支，因为要养活
从业人员，增加额外流程。至少对让人付不起的平均开支来说，任何医保只是雪上加霜
。解决这个问题的根本办法，是打破行业垄断，降低医疗成本。
有两个个人群体是Obamacare的受益者：低收入人群，和已经患有严重疾病者。前者会
受到政府补贴，用超低的价格买到医保。问题是，就算是很普通的低薪工作，你要是一
周干满40小时，你的收入已经超标了。所以，这个是补贴不工作的懒人的。对于身患重
病者，保险公司显然不愿意按照健康人的价格使他们入保，Obamacare禁止他们这么做。
下面我们来说说Obamacare的恶果
1. Obamacare有很多管制市场的规定，比如要求所有连锁餐馆列出每道菜的卡路里。餐
馆要花钱去计算，记录和展示这些数据。还有超市食品要标出产地等。想想从立法，执
法，从业人员阅读，传达，履行这些条款需要浪费多少社会生产力，而这些东西基本屁
用没有... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1814 | 31 美国医疗最大的问题是太贵，医疗的总花费是GDP的16%，远超其他国家。人均每年要在
医疗上花费八千多美元。任何保险对这个问题没有帮助——保险只能对抗小概率事件，
现在光是这个平均开支就让人付不起了。实际上医保只能增加额外的开支，因为要养活
从业人员，增加额外流程。至少对让人付不起的平均开支来说，任何医保只是雪上加霜
。解决这个问题的根本办法，是打破行业垄断，降低医疗成本。
有两个个人群体是Obamacare的受益者：低收入人群，和已经患有严重疾病者。前者会
受到政府补贴，用超低的价格买到医保。问题是，就算是很普通的低薪工作，你要是一
周干满40小时，你的收入已经超标了。所以，这个是补贴不工作的懒人的。对于身患重
病者，保险公司显然不愿意按照健康人的价格使他们入保，Obamacare禁止他们这么做。
下面我们来说说Obamacare的恶果
1. Obamacare有很多管制市场的规定，比如要求所有连锁餐馆列出每道菜的卡路里。餐
馆要花钱去计算，记录和展示这些数据。还有超市食品要标出产地等。想想从立法，执
法，从业人员阅读，传达，履行这些条款需要浪费多少社会生产力，而这些东西基本屁
用没有... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 32 SEN. RAND PAUL: Why doesn't the president voluntarily take Obamacare? I mean
, it's his baby. He loves it so much, why doesn't the president take it? He
could voluntarily go on the exchanges. In fact, I’m sure they'd welcome him
at the D.C. exchanges. I really think that ought to be a question they
ought to ask him at the press briefing today. Mr. President, are you willing
to take Obamacare? If you don't want it, why are we stuck with it?
So, if the president can't take it, if Chief Justice Rob... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 33 April 25, 2012 by Warner Todd Huston
On April 20, Michael Mukasey appeared before the Republican Lawyers
Association’s National Policy Conference and C-SPAN cameras were there to
record his discussion of the conference theme: Restoring a Government of
Laws: The Obama Administration v. The Constitution.
Mukasey, the former Bush Administration Attorney General, headlined a half
hour discussion — which included a Q&A session — and offered one of the
more cogent explanations I’ve seen of why Obama... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 34 by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
Professor Jacobson of Legal Insurrection isn't buying this notion that Chief
Robert's decision to weigh in with the liberals on the court was part of
some crafty long term strategy:
Some well-meaning people are peddling the notion that today’s Obamacare
decision was a long term victory, that we lost the battle but won the war,
that there was some master plan by Chief Justice Roberts to gut the
expansion of Commerce Clause power under the fig leaf of a majority... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1371 | 35 看了版上的几个关于Obamacare的帖子，觉得怎么他们理解的Obamacare和我以前知道的
不同，我就又查了下WIKI，列出Obamacare的几个主要条列以及我的理解，希望大家好
好辩论辩论，看看大家的理解有什么求同存异的地方。
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1] commonly called
Obamacare。 PPACA includes numerous provisions to take effect over several
years beginning in 2010.
1。Guaranteed issue will require policies to be issued regardless of any
medical condition, and partial community rating will require insurers to
offer the same premium to all applicants of the same age and ge... 阅读全帖 |
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Q**********r
发帖数: 75 | 36 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: QuantSoldier (量子战士), 信区: Military
标 题: Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 4 01:27:21 2013, 美东)
Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
这里就不追述美国医疗制度的发展史。不管当初它建立起来的初衷是什么，本文只讨论
现状。
美国health care产生或者消耗的金额占GDP的将近20%，是GDP中最庞大的一项。如果
把上下游及周边相关产业也算进来，那么总值超过GDP的1/3。不知大家对这个数字有什
么概念。横向比较一下就一目了然了。美国军费开支了得吧，没人说美国国防预算低。
但它只占美国GDP的5%还不到。美国的军费帮美国换来了什么样牛B的成果有目共睹。那
么数倍于军费的医疗开支又换来了什么？其意义体现在... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 37 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: atack (小军号), 信区: Military
标 题: 没几个人能从obamacare受益吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 11 11:51:55 2013, 美东)
看了一堆人列了长长的obamacare的收益人，甚至包括失业的中产，个体户之类的，真
是莫名其妙。 obamacare唯一的受益者是政府，对于普通民众，不管是穷人还是富人，
都是被宰的货。毕竟obamacare的长远目的就是减轻政府的医疗负担。当然了,保险业和
有pre-existing condition的病人也会有些受益,毕竟一个是推手，一个是门面。
obamacare的四个plan的coverage分别是Bronze 60%, Silver 70%, Gold 80%，
Platinum 90%。Silver plan的价格可以在下面查得到，4口之家的保费要1万左右。
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
穷人可以拿些政府补贴来减低保费，可问题是面对巨高的deductible... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 38 Rare Obamacare Success Story: A Dog in Colorado Gets Insured
November 22, 2013 by Warner Todd Huston
Obamacare has been an absolute disaster all across the United States.
Millions of Americans have lost their insurance due to the new rules that
Obama put in place with his Obamacare law. But there is one success to
report. In Colorado a man just learned that his dog got covered by Obamacare.
A man in Fort Collins, Colorado, received an interesting letter in the mail
from his Obamacare administr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 39 Huge Legal Victory For The Constitution Over Obamacare (But Will Ruling Lead
To Single-Payer?)
by Jeff Dunetz | May 12, 2016 | U.S. News
In a major victory for the Constitution and for House Republicans, a federal
judge ruled that the Obama administration didn’t fund Obamacare’s
subsidies properly.
A lawsuit by house Republicans claimed that the Obama Administration was
distributing money to health insurance companies that hadn’t allocated by
congress. Today U.S. District Court Judge Rosemary Co... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3438 | 40 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: atack (小军号), 信区: Military
标 题: 没几个人能从obamacare受益吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 11 11:51:55 2013, 美东)
看了一堆人列了长长的obamacare的收益人，甚至包括失业的中产，个体户之类的，真
是莫名其妙。 obamacare唯一的受益者是政府，对于普通民众，不管是穷人还是富人，
都是被宰的货。毕竟obamacare的长远目的就是减轻政府的医疗负担。当然了,保险业和
有pre-existing condition的病人也会有些受益,毕竟一个是推手，一个是门面。
obamacare的四个plan的coverage分别是Bronze 60%, Silver 70%, Gold 80%，
Platinum 90%。Silver plan的价格可以在下面查得到，4口之家的保费要1万左右。
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
穷人可以拿些政府补贴来减低保费，可问题是面对巨高的deductible... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2888 | 41 您前面说了盖茨buffet的慈善，问一下你自己捐了多少？
很多民主党人都是do what i say, do not do what i do。国会里面似乎唯一给自己员
工obamacare waiver的就是参议院民主党领袖reid。国会质询的时候问负责实施
obamacare的hhs的部长，问她加入obamacare不？她说，我不加入。
你不是一样，能够花这么多时间在这里defend obamacare，就不能自己加入？哪条法律
说你有了公司提供的保险，就不可以加入obamacare?
你要是用实际行动，公司给的保险不要或者即使有公司的保险，额外掏钱支持
obamacare，我说你是一个牛人，知行合一。否则，就是另外的一个do what i say, do
not do what i do：我支持盖茨buffet的慈善，但是我一毛不拔，不会捐款；我支持
obamacare，但是我不会加入。 |
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Q**********r
发帖数: 75 | 42 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: QuantSoldier (量子战士), 信区: Military
标 题: Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 4 01:27:21 2013, 美东)
Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
这里就不追述美国医疗制度的发展史。不管当初它建立起来的初衷是什么，本文只讨论
现状。
美国health care产生或者消耗的金额占GDP的将近20%，是GDP中最庞大的一项。如果
把上下游及周边相关产业也算进来，那么总值超过GDP的1/3。不知大家对这个数字有什
么概念。横向比较一下就一目了然了。美国军费开支了得吧，没人说美国国防预算低。
但它只占美国GDP的5%还不到。美国的军费帮美国换来了什么样牛B的成果有目共睹。那
么数倍于军费的医疗开支又换来了什么？其意义体现在... 阅读全帖 |
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Q**********r
发帖数: 75 | 43 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: QuantSoldier (量子战士), 信区: Military
标 题: Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 4 01:27:21 2013, 美东)
Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
这里就不追述美国医疗制度的发展史。不管当初它建立起来的初衷是什么，本文只讨论
现状。
美国health care产生或者消耗的金额占GDP的将近20%，是GDP中最庞大的一项。如果
把上下游及周边相关产业也算进来，那么总值超过GDP的1/3。不知大家对这个数字有什
么概念。横向比较一下就一目了然了。美国军费开支了得吧，没人说美国国防预算低。
但它只占美国GDP的5%还不到。美国的军费帮美国换来了什么样牛B的成果有目共睹。那
么数倍于军费的医疗开支又换来了什么？其意义体现在... 阅读全帖 |
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x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 44 老中傻逼，obamacare和福利是两回事。 反对obamacare主要是商户（为了不给自己员
工保险）。 所以如果是老中，还反obamacare估计一般都是中餐店老板为了少给同样是
中国人的雇员保险而反对。 大公司一般本来就有保险，作为大部分是给这些公司打工
的老中其实不受影响，反而有好处，比如孩子可以在父母的保险上待到26岁。其他的所
谓obamacare会给纳税人负担连共和党都不说了。 因为现在没有obamacare穷人没保险
照样看病，照样花钱。有了obamacare雇员，雇主，政府都贡献一点，花的前还少一点
。health care就是cover的人越多，每个人交的阅少。 |
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Q**********r
发帖数: 75 | 45 Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
这里就不追述美国医疗制度的发展史。不管当初它建立起来的初衷是什么，本文只讨论
现状。
美国health care产生或者消耗的金额占GDP的将近20%，是GDP中最庞大的一项。如果
把上下游及周边相关产业也算进来，那么总值超过GDP的1/3。不知大家对这个数字有什
么概念。横向比较一下就一目了然了。美国军费开支了得吧，没人说美国国防预算低。
但它只占美国GDP的5%还不到。美国的军费帮美国换来了什么样牛B的成果有目共睹。那
么数倍于军费的医疗开支又换来了什么？其意义体现在何处？这是本文要探讨的。
据统计，美国人均医疗支出比同样医学发达的德国高出近一倍，比日本高近2倍。那么
美国人跟德国人日本人的健康水平相差多少呢。是这些费用帮美国人把健康水平大幅提
高了，还是说美国人是“北美病夫”，天生就病怏怏的需要花更多钱治病？如果你真的
把美国医疗支出跟美国人健康问题掺合在一起... 阅读全帖 |
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a***k
发帖数: 1038 | 46 看了一堆人列了长长的obamacare的收益人，甚至包括失业的中产，个体户之类的，真
是莫名其妙。 obamacare唯一的受益者是政府，对于普通民众，不管是穷人还是富人，
都是被宰的货。毕竟obamacare的长远目的就是减轻政府的医疗负担。当然了,保险业和
有pre-existing condition的病人也会有些受益,毕竟一个是推手，一个是门面。
obamacare的四个plan的coverage分别是Bronze 60%, Silver 70%, Gold 80%，
Platinum 90%。Silver plan的价格可以在下面查得到，4口之家的保费要1万左右。
http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
穷人可以拿些政府补贴来减低保费，可问题是面对巨高的deductible,穷人还是看不起
病。
个体户和短期失业的，因为年收入远超过贫困线，政府没有任何补贴。
同样的coverage的情况下，obamacare的保费比以前的商业保险贵多了，毕竟保险又经
过了政府的手盘剥了一把，费用当然要飞涨。
最简单的例子就是obamaca... 阅读全帖 |
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J*V
发帖数: 3150 | 47 Health Care产业跟医疗无关，Obamacare跟医疗无关
由于学识微薄，经力有限，本人无法完成以此为题的一篇完整的议论文章。本文仅仅简
单罗列零星现象与观点。不赞同者请一笑而过，感兴趣者请自行搜集论据并归纳演绎。
这里就不追述美国医疗制度的发展史。不管当初它建立起来的初衷是什么，本文只讨论
现状。
美国health care产生或者消耗的金额占GDP的将近20%，是GDP中最庞大的一项。如果
把上下游及周边相关产业也算进来，那么总值超过GDP的1/3。不知大家对这个数字有什
么概念。横向比较一下就一目了然了。美国军费开支了得吧，没人说美国国防预算低。
但它只占美国GDP的5%还不到。美国的军费帮美国换来了什么样牛B的成果有目共睹。那
么数倍于军费的医疗开支又换来了什么？其意义体现在何处？这是本文要探讨的。
据统计，美国人均医疗支出比同样医学发达的德国高出近一倍，比日本高近2倍。那么
美国人跟德国人日本人的健康水平相差多少呢。是这些费用帮美国人把健康水平大幅提
高了，还是说美国人是“北美病夫”，天生就病怏怏的需要花更多钱治病？如果你真的
把美国医疗支出跟美国人健康问题掺合在一起... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 48 by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
The sad part about this is that Kathleen Sebelius and others following her
lead are likely to get away with it given the population's ignorance:
As Democrats grow increasingly worried that ObamaCare will explode on
the launch pad just as ObamaFailure midterm elections get going, the Obama
administration seeks to pin blame on Republicans. Good luck with that.
Earlier this week, Health and Human Services head Kathleen Sebelius
admitted that she didn't realiz... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 49 Kaiser: Faith In Obamacare Plummets To Just 35% (Barry O's Core Constituents)
The Washington Examiner ^ | JUNE 19, 2013 | 5:23 PM | BY: PAUL BEDARD
The popularity of Obamacare has crashed to its lowest level in nearly two
years, according to a new Kaiser Family Foundation poll.
Kaiser's monthly tracking poll found that just 35 percent have a favorable
view of the health reform being put into place Jan. 1 while 43 percent view
it unfavorably. The favorability rating of Obamacare has been worse on... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 50 Most Americans don't understand Obamacare, and even people who don't have
insurance believe the law won't do them much good, a new Wall Street Journal
/NBC News poll taken as the law's core provisions are about to roll out
shows.
Overall, 70 percent of respondents said they either don't understand
Obamacare or understand only parts of it, The Wall Street Journal reports.
Of those polled, 44 percent, think the healthcare overhaul is a bad idea,
while 31 percent think the plan is good and 25 perce... 阅读全帖 |
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